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Anonymous wrote:You guys are complaining about static rankings but what other schools deserve at least a 4.1 out of 5 for reputation?! You could make an argument for NYU because of Stern but that's about it. All of the other schools between 26- 50 are not on that level of elite. The fact that this doesn't change much makes it valid.

See above. That is an absurd argument - not changing makes a peer list valid? Quite the opposite - Dynamic rankings that reflect excellent collaborative research that are cited by peers is what makes a ranking list of academic institutions valid.

No your absurd, and make dumb arguments. Reputation takes decades of consistent work to build, not something that should be judged by how many research papers one produced in a year.

I like this top ten!

Current rankings[edit]
Global ranking[edit]
University Ranking by Academic Performance—Top 50[a]
Institution
2020-21[6]
2019–20[7]
2018–19[8]
2017–18[9]
2016–17[10]
2015–16[11]
2014–15[12]

Harvard University

University of Toronto

Stanford University

University College London

University of Oxford

Johns Hopkins University

University of Cambridge

University of Michigan

University of Paris-

University of Washington

Anonymous wrote:You guys are complaining about static rankings but what other schools deserve at least a 4.1 out of 5 for reputation?! You could make an argument for NYU because of Stern but that's about it. All of the other schools between 26- 50 are not on that level of elite. The fact that this doesn't change much makes it valid.

See above. That is an absurd argument - not changing makes a peer list valid? Quite the opposite - Dynamic rankings that reflect excellent collaborative research that are cited by peers is what makes a ranking list of academic institutions valid.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton 4.8
2. Columbia 4.7
Harvard 4.9
MIT 4.9
5. Yale 4.8
6. Stanford 4.9
U Chicago 4.6
8. UPenn 4.6
Caltech 4.6
9. Duke 4.5
John's Hopkins 4.7
Northwestern 4.4
13. Dartmouth 4.4
14. Brown 4.5
Vanderbilt 4.3
WashU 4.2
17. Cornell 4.6
Rice 4.1
19. Notre Dame 4.2
20. UCLA 4.4
21. Emory 4.2
22. UC Berkeley 4.7
23. Georgetown 4.2
U Michigan 4.5
25. Carnegie Mellon 4.3
UVA 4.3
You're welcome! However a caveat... There are several important factors that should go into the rankings and peer reputation is only one factor. Student selectivity and institutional resources matter for the entire quality of the school. Peer Reputation can also be gamer as well.

HYPSM comprise the top 5 for peer reputation.

I don’t trust this peer review … how do they decide who matters? Unlike real life these lists barely move… I just don’t believe the same places each year have monopolies on top quality teaching and learning …

Pay to peer play?
Old fart peer ranking conventions ?
Skulls and bones/ other secret societies ?

It just is not plausible that same institutions that mainly recruit from top 1% and legacies continue to dominate educational excellence in reality (in perception obviously is possible). It is rigged somehow. Maybe we are so desperate for order in our chaotic world that we collectively buy into this mass delusion of static hierarchies …

+1

They need transparent quantifiable data to support these static “peer ranked” hierarchies - for starters academic relevance could be measured in numbers of citations in different fields …

Here ya go - JHU fans will be pleased to see how high it ranks in the second list that scientifically ranks academic performance … a few elite universities (Harvard and MIT) retain similar lofty status but the overall rank of US universities in terms of actual academic performance looks very different form US News peer rankings (Princeton disappears altogether from that list while others such as public ivies of U Mich, various UCs and U Washington jump to the close to the top, )- it has more credibility to my mind as it measures number of articles, citations, total documents, article impact total, citation impact total, and international cooperation.



https://www.umultirank.org/university-rankings/top-performing-universities/2018/top-cited-publications/

US universities are most successful in terms of the high impact of their academic research: the majority of top ranked institutions (16, as in 2017) are from the US. Among the top 25 are nine institutions from Europe, seven out of them from the UK. One university with top cited publications is from Israel. While some Asian universties score high on academic output (number of publications) they are not among the institutions with the highest citation impact.
The 25 top performers in top-cited publications are:
• The Rockefeller University (United States)
• Massachusetts Institute of Technology (United States)
• London Business School (United Kingdom)
• The Institute of Cancer Research (United Kingdom)
• Harvard University (United States)
• Stanford University (United States)
• Princeton University (United States)
• University of California, Berkeley (United States)
• California Institute of Technology (United States)
• Weizmann Institute of Science (Israel)
• Rice University (United States)
• MODUL University Vienna (Austria)
• University of California, Santa Barbara (United States)
• Yale University (United States)
• University of Oxford (United Kingdom)
• London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (United Kingdom)
• University of California, San Francisco (United States)
• University of Chicago (United States)
• The London School of Economics and Political Science (United Kingdom)
• St Mary's University, Twickenham (United Kingdom)
• University of Cambridge (United Kingdom)
• Norwegian School of Sport Sciences (Norway)
• University of Massachusetts Medical School (United States)
• Mount Sinai School of Medicine (United States)
• Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai (United States)

University Ranking by Academic Performance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Ranking_by_Academic_Performance

URAP uses 6 main indicator to measure the academic performance. These indicators are number of articles, citation, total documents, article impact total, citation impact total, and international collaboration. The raw bibliometric data underlying URAP's 6 main indicators have highly skewed distribution. To address this issue, the median of the indicators have been used. The Delphi system was conducted with a group of experts to assign weighting scores to the indicators.


Current rankings[edit]
Global ranking[edit]
University Ranking by Academic Performance—Top 50[a]
Institution
2020-21[6]
2019–20[7]
2018–19[8]
2017–18[9]
2016–17[10]
2015–16[11]
2014–15[12]

Harvard University

University of Toronto

Stanford University

University College London

University of Oxford

Johns Hopkins University

University of Cambridge

University of Michigan

University of Paris-

University of Washington

Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Tsinghua University

Imperial College London

Sorbonne University

University of Pennsylvania

University of California, Los Angeles

Columbia University

Shanghai Jiao Tong University

University of Copenhagen

Zhejiang University

Peking University

University of California, Berkeley

University of Paris

University of Sydney

University of Melbourne

University of California, San Diego

Yale University

Cornell University

University of British Columbia

University of California, San Francisco

University of Tokyo

National University of Singapore

University of São Paulo

Duke University

University of Queensland

University of Chicago

Monash University

KU Leuven

Ohio State University

University of Amsterdam

ETH Zurich

University of New South Wales

University of Pittsburgh

University of Minnesota

Utrecht University

Northwestern University

McGill University

Sun Yat-sen University

Huazhong University of Science and Technology

Karolinska Institute

You guys are complaining about static rankings but what other schools deserve at least a 4.1 out of 5 for reputation?! You could make an argument for NYU because of Stern but that's about it. All of the other schools between 26- 50 are not on that level of elite. The fact that this doesn't change much makes it valid.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Princeton 4.8
2. Columbia 4.7
Harvard 4.9
MIT 4.9
5. Yale 4.8
6. Stanford 4.9
U Chicago 4.6
8. UPenn 4.6
Caltech 4.6
9. Duke 4.5
John's Hopkins 4.7
Northwestern 4.4
13. Dartmouth 4.4
14. Brown 4.5
Vanderbilt 4.3
WashU 4.2
17. Cornell 4.6
Rice 4.1
19. Notre Dame 4.2
20. UCLA 4.4
21. Emory 4.2
22. UC Berkeley 4.7
23. Georgetown 4.2
U Michigan 4.5
25. Carnegie Mellon 4.3
UVA 4.3
You're welcome! However a caveat... There are several important factors that should go into the rankings and peer reputation is only one factor. Student selectivity and institutional resources matter for the entire quality of the school. Peer Reputation can also be gamer as well.

HYPSM comprise the top 5 for peer reputation.

I don’t trust this peer review … how do they decide who matters? Unlike real life these lists barely move… I just don’t believe the same places each year have monopolies on top quality teaching and learning …

Pay to peer play?
Old fart peer ranking conventions ?
Skulls and bones/ other secret societies ?

It just is not plausible that same institutions that mainly recruit from top 1% and legacies continue to dominate educational excellence in reality (in perception obviously is possible). It is rigged somehow. Maybe we are so desperate for order in our chaotic world that we collectively buy into this mass delusion of static hierarchies …

+1

They need transparent quantifiable data to support these static “peer ranked” hierarchies - for starters academic relevance could be measured in numbers of citations in different fields …

Anonymous wrote:It is difficult to say what they are responding to when they respond to this question. Are they thinking of the university overall? Are they thinking only of the undergraduate program? Are the responses really some mix of the above?

Exactly - it is meaningless and flawed on so many levels …

It’s almost like they come up with these BS measures to sell their otherwise defunct magazine

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Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.

JHU is easily a top 10 institution. It is hard as hell, and you don't get watered down garbage courses/grades like you do at other 'top' institutions that will not be named. I went to a top 50 undergrad institution, then did my PhD at JHU where I had to teach undergrads. The undergrads at JHU are just on a whole different level of intelligence. JHU gets bad marks for 'undergrad life' simply because it is so hard and all the kids do is study their tails off. Almost every single undergrad and grad student I know from my entire time there went on to med school, wall street, top 3 consulting firms, or top 5-10 grad schools. JHU has extraordinary placement in med schools - 100% of the kids who worked in our lab for undergrad research ended up going to med school at places like UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, and Einstein.

Also, JHU is ranked high because of its grad programs - this is a peer reputation ranking. JHU gets the most funding from the NIH out of any university, and has a top 3 med school. JHU is always near the top in terms of publications relative to impact factor (and given its size), plus always punches above its weight for patents generated.

This.

Jhu undergrad is a quality education full stop in arts, sciences, and applied stuff like engineering.

Jhu gets dinged because the student body isn’t attractive for the most part and they really need to beef up their career services.

Jhu needs to hire away penn’s career services staff

JHU is very one-sided school. Just pre-med or bust

Jhu english dept is top notch. Same with history and Physics. Just to pick a few. There are very few schools academically as strong in as wide of subjects as jhu.

Jhu suffers because location, student body isn’t f’able outside of maybe 10% of the class, and they should probably have a required course for all kids by some entertainment agents on how to sell yourself, small talk, polish etc. Like a two-semester series of “finishing school”.

Bloomie should also write a check to get all jhu sports outside of football, D1.

That would help as well.

JHU English is very good, but not "top notch". If that's your metric, than schools like Duke, Northwestern, Penn, Chicago are significantly stronger and have greater breadth than JHU.

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Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.

JHU is easily a top 10 institution. It is hard as hell, and you don't get watered down garbage courses/grades like you do at other 'top' institutions that will not be named. I went to a top 50 undergrad institution, then did my PhD at JHU where I had to teach undergrads. The undergrads at JHU are just on a whole different level of intelligence. JHU gets bad marks for 'undergrad life' simply because it is so hard and all the kids do is study their tails off. Almost every single undergrad and grad student I know from my entire time there went on to med school, wall street, top 3 consulting firms, or top 5-10 grad schools. JHU has extraordinary placement in med schools - 100% of the kids who worked in our lab for undergrad research ended up going to med school at places like UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, and Einstein.

Also, JHU is ranked high because of its grad programs - this is a peer reputation ranking. JHU gets the most funding from the NIH out of any university, and has a top 3 med school. JHU is always near the top in terms of publications relative to impact factor (and given its size), plus always punches above its weight for patents generated.

This.

Jhu undergrad is a quality education full stop in arts, sciences, and applied stuff like engineering.

Jhu gets dinged because the student body isn’t attractive for the most part and they really need to beef up their career services.

Jhu needs to hire away penn’s career services staff

JHU is very one-sided school. Just pre-med or bust

Jhu english dept is top notch. Same with history and Physics. Just to pick a few. There are very few schools academically as strong in as wide of subjects as jhu.

Jhu suffers because location, student body isn’t f’able outside of maybe 10% of the class, and they should probably have a required course for all kids by some entertainment agents on how to sell yourself, small talk, polish etc. Like a two-semester series of “finishing school”.

Bloomie should also write a check to get all jhu sports outside of football, D1.

That would help as well.

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Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.

JHU is easily a top 10 institution. It is hard as hell, and you don't get watered down garbage courses/grades like you do at other 'top' institutions that will not be named. I went to a top 50 undergrad institution, then did my PhD at JHU where I had to teach undergrads. The undergrads at JHU are just on a whole different level of intelligence. JHU gets bad marks for 'undergrad life' simply because it is so hard and all the kids do is study their tails off. Almost every single undergrad and grad student I know from my entire time there went on to med school, wall street, top 3 consulting firms, or top 5-10 grad schools. JHU has extraordinary placement in med schools - 100% of the kids who worked in our lab for undergrad research ended up going to med school at places like UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, and Einstein.

Also, JHU is ranked high because of its grad programs - this is a peer reputation ranking. JHU gets the most funding from the NIH out of any university, and has a top 3 med school. JHU is always near the top in terms of publications relative to impact factor (and given its size), plus always punches above its weight for patents generated.

JHU too high. Belongs in 14 with Dartmouth, Berkeley, etc.

No way. Not if the measure is strictly academics. It’s correctly placed on that list, drop penn actually to the duke northwestern tier.

Ok dude

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Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.

JHU is easily a top 10 institution. It is hard as hell, and you don't get watered down garbage courses/grades like you do at other 'top' institutions that will not be named. I went to a top 50 undergrad institution, then did my PhD at JHU where I had to teach undergrads. The undergrads at JHU are just on a whole different level of intelligence. JHU gets bad marks for 'undergrad life' simply because it is so hard and all the kids do is study their tails off. Almost every single undergrad and grad student I know from my entire time there went on to med school, wall street, top 3 consulting firms, or top 5-10 grad schools. JHU has extraordinary placement in med schools - 100% of the kids who worked in our lab for undergrad research ended up going to med school at places like UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, and Einstein.

Also, JHU is ranked high because of its grad programs - this is a peer reputation ranking. JHU gets the most funding from the NIH out of any university, and has a top 3 med school. JHU is always near the top in terms of publications relative to impact factor (and given its size), plus always punches above its weight for patents generated.

JHU too high. Belongs in 14 with Dartmouth, Berkeley, etc.

No way. Not if the measure is strictly academics. It’s correctly placed on that list, drop penn actually to the duke northwestern tier.

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Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.

JHU is easily a top 10 institution. It is hard as hell, and you don't get watered down garbage courses/grades like you do at other 'top' institutions that will not be named. I went to a top 50 undergrad institution, then did my PhD at JHU where I had to teach undergrads. The undergrads at JHU are just on a whole different level of intelligence. JHU gets bad marks for 'undergrad life' simply because it is so hard and all the kids do is study their tails off. Almost every single undergrad and grad student I know from my entire time there went on to med school, wall street, top 3 consulting firms, or top 5-10 grad schools. JHU has extraordinary placement in med schools - 100% of the kids who worked in our lab for undergrad research ended up going to med school at places like UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, and Einstein.

Also, JHU is ranked high because of its grad programs - this is a peer reputation ranking. JHU gets the most funding from the NIH out of any university, and has a top 3 med school. JHU is always near the top in terms of publications relative to impact factor (and given its size), plus always punches above its weight for patents generated.

This.

Jhu undergrad is a quality education full stop in arts, sciences, and applied stuff like engineering.

Jhu gets dinged because the student body isn’t attractive for the most part and they really need to beef up their career services.

Jhu needs to hire away penn’s career services staff

JHU is very one-sided school. Just pre-med or bust

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Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.

JHU is easily a top 10 institution. It is hard as hell, and you don't get watered down garbage courses/grades like you do at other 'top' institutions that will not be named. I went to a top 50 undergrad institution, then did my PhD at JHU where I had to teach undergrads. The undergrads at JHU are just on a whole different level of intelligence. JHU gets bad marks for 'undergrad life' simply because it is so hard and all the kids do is study their tails off. Almost every single undergrad and grad student I know from my entire time there went on to med school, wall street, top 3 consulting firms, or top 5-10 grad schools. JHU has extraordinary placement in med schools - 100% of the kids who worked in our lab for undergrad research ended up going to med school at places like UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, and Einstein.

Also, JHU is ranked high because of its grad programs - this is a peer reputation ranking. JHU gets the most funding from the NIH out of any university, and has a top 3 med school. JHU is always near the top in terms of publications relative to impact factor (and given its size), plus always punches above its weight for patents generated.

This.

Jhu undergrad is a quality education full stop in arts, sciences, and applied stuff like engineering.

Jhu gets dinged because the student body isn’t attractive for the most part and they really need to beef up their career services.

Jhu needs to hire away penn’s career services staff

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Anonymous wrote:** I forgot Michigan
1.Harvard, Stanford
3.MIT, Princeton,
5. Yale, Columbia
7. U Chicago, Caltech, John's Hopkins, Upenn
11. Duke, Northwestern, Brown
14. Dartmouth,*UCB
16. Cornell, *UCLA, Vanderbilt
19. Rice, Carnegie Mellon, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame, Georgetown
25. Gatech, UNC, UVA, Michigan
29. UT Austin, Wisconsin-Madison

Johns Hopkins should not be that high... I'd put it alongside Dartmouth/UCB/Cornell/UCLA. Vanderbilt should also be one tier down.

JHU is easily a top 10 institution. It is hard as hell, and you don't get watered down garbage courses/grades like you do at other 'top' institutions that will not be named. I went to a top 50 undergrad institution, then did my PhD at JHU where I had to teach undergrads. The undergrads at JHU are just on a whole different level of intelligence. JHU gets bad marks for 'undergrad life' simply because it is so hard and all the kids do is study their tails off. Almost every single undergrad and grad student I know from my entire time there went on to med school, wall street, top 3 consulting firms, or top 5-10 grad schools. JHU has extraordinary placement in med schools - 100% of the kids who worked in our lab for undergrad research ended up going to med school at places like UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, and Einstein.

Also, JHU is ranked high because of its grad programs - this is a peer reputation ranking. JHU gets the most funding from the NIH out of any university, and has a top 3 med school. JHU is always near the top in terms of publications relative to impact factor (and given its size), plus always punches above its weight for patents generated.

JHU too high. Belongs in 14 with Dartmouth, Berkeley, etc.

Also Columbia should be one below with Chicago