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Anonymous wrote:Racially restrictive housing covenants or red-lining is very different from this CA case. In the D.C. cases, they were prevented from purchasing in nice areas or refused mortgages/rental rates they qualified for. In the CA case, this family owned the land already and it was outright stolen through eminent domain without the proper value assessed or even against the family's will.

I do think incidents like what happened in Tulsa where the black community was literally massacred overnight and their homes/properties/commercial real estate burned down only to be taken over by white investors who swooped in like piranhas could be investigated and paid out.

That happened throughout this country. It happened in Georgia for example. And the white residents just took the land as their own. I am sure many Americans would be surprised if the full extent this history was finally revealed.

Hilton Head Island in SC also has a dark history involving white people stealing land from black land owners.

It’s actually a significant issue for large portions of the entire southern coast.

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Anonymous wrote:We can all find somewhere in history where we were not treated fairly.

True, but the point you and many PPs are missing is the fact that these past events still have repercussions today. Black people still suffer from higher rates of poverty thanks to these past racist policies. For the Irish and the Swedish PPs, last time I checked, Ireland and Sweden are doing very well these day!

Many people who now live in Oklahoma are descendants of native Americans.

Half of Oklahoma is native land, including Tulsa.

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Anonymous wrote:To the people comparing current reparations to literal ancient history- when you know better, you do better. Black people getting back their stolen property should not make you feel threatened.

Is 1851 ancient history?

Too old. What about Indians or other races that have been abused by British.

What's done is done, no more reparations. This is the reasons democrats lose sometimes. I would like to see a clear path for future generations, stronger economy rather than dumping money for anything that would have no impact today. There are tons of programs that could be pushed to fill the gaps where any particular race is lagging but not just throwing money.

This is about African Americans, not Indians.

Interesting that they were able to get a monument set up about one of these cases. I am surprised the Chevy Chase company let it happen, since it invites a demand for restitution.

https://www.whatimreading.net/p/maryland-belmont-black-suburb-historical-marker

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Anonymous wrote:To the people comparing current reparations to literal ancient history- when you know better, you do better. Black people getting back their stolen property should not make you feel threatened.

Is 1851 ancient history?

Too old. What about Indians or other races that have been abused by British.

What's done is done, no more reparations. This is the reasons democrats lose sometimes. I would like to see a clear path for future generations, stronger economy rather than dumping money for anything that would have no impact today. There are tons of programs that could be pushed to fill the gaps where any particular race is lagging but not just throwing money.

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Anonymous wrote:As one who is part native american, looking forward to how this progresses.

Native here- have you heard of Cobell? It was a 3.4 billion dollar settlement. There will never be anything further.

NP here: that was for federal land and other federal trust-held assets. I guarantee that there are state and local governments that are in possession of lands that Native Americans legally owned. Of course, enforcing such claims would require the state and local governments to play along. Los Angeles is giving the land back to this family because the culture of the political elites has changed. This family has been fighting for decades with Los Angeles and the previous political elites would not acknowledge their claims.

WHO is in power is often times more important than what the law says. Elites change, culture evolves.

Anonymous wrote:As one who is part native american, looking forward to how this progresses.

Native here- have you heard of Cobell? It was a 3.4 billion dollar settlement. There will never be anything further.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder what their plan for the land is. That's a lot of people to own on piece of land. I had enough trouble owning and selling land with my three siblings.

They agreed to rent it to city of Los Angeles to keep their facilities running - the oceanfront plat is the county life guard training school/headquarters + a very nice park with views of the ocean on the next block over.

In short, it will be a perpetual income stream for the descendants. They get a check every year.

I wonder what their plan for the land is. That's a lot of people to own on piece of land. I had enough trouble owning and selling land with my three siblings.

I bet if someone forced them to sell to build a garbage dump they would have not sued to get it back

What's wild is that this did happen around here recently.

Dulles airport was basically supposed to be in the area around burke lake park. The land owners (white) fought the federal government until it gave up and seized land from an area with well off black families (western fairfax/eastern Loudon) which then created Dulles airport.

The imminent domain was obviously less than market value simply because these people were black. And when this took place, black properties were 25 cents on the dollar at best.

It's an interesting part of fairfax history fwiw.

Anonymous wrote:Making wrongs right again is a good but complex and confusing plan.

This particular case in Los Angeles is not confusing because there is a very clear chain of custody: the local government forced the family to sell the land and the local government still owns the land. There were no intermediating private owners who would be owed compensation.

To the extent similar transactions can take place, I hope local and state governments do give back property to those who were outright dispossessed or forced to sell under coercion (often for less than fair market value).

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Anonymous wrote:Racially restrictive housing covenants or red-lining is very different from this CA case. In the D.C. cases, they were prevented from purchasing in nice areas or refused mortgages/rental rates they qualified for. In the CA case, this family owned the land already and it was outright stolen through eminent domain without the proper value assessed or even against the family's will.

I do think incidents like what happened in Tulsa where the black community was literally massacred overnight and their homes/properties/commercial real estate burned down only to be taken over by white investors who swooped in like piranhas could be investigated and paid out.

That happened throughout this country. It happened in Georgia for example. And the white residents just took the land as their own. I am sure many Americans would be surprised if the full extent this history was finally revealed.

Hilton Head Island in SC also has a dark history involving white people stealing land from black land owners.

Making wrongs right again is a good but complex and confusing plan.