And another one

https://www.loudounsoccer.com/age-group-transition

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Anonymous wrote:How the hell is this thread 50 pages long?

The Crazy August guy decided to make it his new home and that blew up a nice thread about what clubs are actually doing now. Bummer.

There's been some good info shared. You have a couple of top-tier clubs doing detailed FAQs, for example:

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

https://ourcitysc.com/docs/age_group_changes.pdf

Anonymous wrote:How the hell is this thread 50 pages long?

The Crazy August guy decided to make it his new home and that blew up a nice thread about what clubs are actually doing now. Bummer.

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

No it's not

It's why you were biobanded
How you perform while biobanded
How you performed after being biobanded, because no one biobands past U16
Its your new size past puberty and performance

Why dont clubs bioband past u16?

Because by U16 most if not all players have hit puberty
If you're a really late developer, then a top college ain't looking at you anyway.

Appreciate the honest response 👍

Exactly like I said. Pro clubs and College coaches doesnt take players playing down seriously. Which is why MLSN doesnt bioband past u16.

Chalk another one up for reality.

They do bioband past U16, in limited cases. Some clubs bioband permanently until the player reaches the U18/U19 cohort. That is the case for the player from FC Delco going to U of Delaware next year for soccer. He is an '07 and has always played '08 since like U14. And true academies even bioband U19s to their U18s. There was a discussion earlier about the Sullivan twins (Cavan's older brothers) biobanding to the Union U18 this season. They participated as U18s in a preseason tournament in Germany.

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The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

It doesnt work that way once recruiting is involved. To get noticed you need to play with your grade in school. Nobody cares about a 1-2 month variance when you're competing with players 1-4 years older including the transfer portal for a college roster spot.

You rambled in an inaccurate direction and ignored the fact that you can't overcome the logistics involved with leagues and teams trying to run a convoluted GY system across state lines.

You lost me in the middle of the first sentence. Too much rambling.

Simpleton version for you, your GY system isn't sound.

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The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

It doesnt work that way once recruiting is involved. To get noticed you need to play with your grade in school. Nobody cares about a 1-2 month variance when you're competing with players 1-4 years older including the transfer portal for a college roster spot.

You rambled in an inaccurate direction and ignored the fact that you can't overcome the logistics involved with leagues and teams trying to run a convoluted GY system across state lines.

You lost me in the middle of the first sentence. Too much rambling.

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The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

It doesnt work that way once recruiting is involved. To get noticed you need to play with your grade in school. Nobody cares about a 1-2 month variance when you're competing with players 1-4 years older including the transfer portal for a college roster spot.

Do you like being called a Moron?

You think the colleges are two daft to know what the graduation year is for the few players they're trying to recruit?
You do know there's only a few spaces in each recruiting year. Colleges don't need 15 Freshman on their soccer roster.

Which makes it even more difficult to be recruited. Which is just another reason players playing down a grade will get ignored.

False.

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

It doesnt work that way once recruiting is involved. To get noticed you need to play with your grade in school. Nobody cares about a 1-2 month variance when you're competing with players 1-4 years older including the transfer portal for a college roster spot.

You rambled in an inaccurate direction and ignored the fact that you can't overcome the logistics involved with leagues and teams trying to run a convoluted GY system across state lines.

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

No it's not

It's why you were biobanded
How you perform while biobanded
How you performed after being biobanded, because no one biobands past U16
Its your new size past puberty and performance

Why dont clubs bioband past u16?

Because by U16 most if not all players have hit puberty
If you're a really late developer, then a top college ain't looking at you anyway.

Appreciate the honest response 👍

Exactly like I said. Pro clubs and College coaches doesnt take players playing down seriously. Which is why MLSN doesnt bioband past u16.

Chalk another one up for reality.

They take the individual player seriously based on the players performance

Not their label

There are many European Pro Players who were playing down as late as U18
Though, in several European countries, they actually have International Youth 'B' teams for only biobanded players

Kevin De Bruyne was on one and many others

Completely makes sense.

Many MLSN coaches hold the keys to the kingdom for players unfortunately. At least with boys/mens soccer talent usually makes itself known and trumps the coaching buddy system.

Interesting that in other countries players playing down get put on the B team thats their age not the A team a age/level down.

They do put them on an age lower down for biobanding
It's at the older ages they have specific International teams and competitions for just late developers

It is not "lower level" quality and skills. It is smaller players.

I didnt mean to infer lower level quality.

I was just calling out that when things become serious biobanders no longer play down on A teams. They have their own league likely with players close to their age.

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

No it's not

It's why you were biobanded
How you perform while biobanded
How you performed after being biobanded, because no one biobands past U16
Its your new size past puberty and performance

Why dont clubs bioband past u16?

Because by U16 most if not all players have hit puberty
If you're a really late developer, then a top college ain't looking at you anyway.

Appreciate the honest response 👍

Exactly like I said. Pro clubs and College coaches doesnt take players playing down seriously. Which is why MLSN doesnt bioband past u16.

Chalk another one up for reality.

They take the individual player seriously based on the players performance

Not their label

There are many European Pro Players who were playing down as late as U18
Though, in several European countries, they actually have International Youth 'B' teams for only biobanded players

Kevin De Bruyne was on one and many others

Completely makes sense.

Many MLSN coaches hold the keys to the kingdom for players unfortunately. At least with boys/mens soccer talent usually makes itself known and trumps the coaching buddy system.

Interesting that in other countries players playing down get put on the B team thats their age not the A team a age/level down.

They do put them on an age lower down for biobanding
It's at the older ages they have specific International teams and competitions for just late developers

It is not "lower level" quality and skills. It is smaller players.

How the hell is this thread 50 pages long?

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

No it's not

It's why you were biobanded
How you perform while biobanded
How you performed after being biobanded, because no one biobands past U16
Its your new size past puberty and performance

Why dont clubs bioband past u16?

Because by U16 most if not all players have hit puberty
If you're a really late developer, then a top college ain't looking at you anyway.

Appreciate the honest response 👍

Exactly like I said. Pro clubs and College coaches doesnt take players playing down seriously. Which is why MLSN doesnt bioband past u16.

Chalk another one up for reality.

They take the individual player seriously based on the players performance

Not their label

There are many European Pro Players who were playing down as late as U18
Though, in several European countries, they actually have International Youth 'B' teams for only biobanded players

Kevin De Bruyne was on one and many others

Completely makes sense.

Many MLSN coaches hold the keys to the kingdom for players unfortunately. At least with boys/mens soccer talent usually makes itself known and trumps the coaching buddy system.

Interesting that in other countries players playing down get put on the B team thats their age not the A team a age/level down.

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The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

It doesnt work that way once recruiting is involved. To get noticed you need to play with your grade in school. Nobody cares about a 1-2 month variance when you're competing with players 1-4 years older including the transfer portal for a college roster spot.

Do you like being called a Moron?

You think the colleges are two daft to know what the graduation year is for the few players they're trying to recruit?
You do know there's only a few spaces in each recruiting year. Colleges don't need 15 Freshman on their soccer roster.

Which makes it even more difficult to be recruited. Which is just another reason players playing down a grade will get ignored.

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Anonymous wrote:And there you go...

The parents that want to hold back their stupid kids so they can be the biggest on the team are posting with a vengeance.

You know so it's "fair" for their kid.

Other than crazy August guy, can anyone cite a previous post from a poster where they actually advocated for grade based youth soccer? Not relaying information like showcases might be grade based or college coaches might want it, but actual advocating for grade.

Yes college coaches want SY but by grade. These are the people recruiting players to play in college.

Cubs like SY but by grade because it makes grouping players easier.

Leagues like SY but grouped by grade because it insures all players on the field during a game are the same grade. This makes it easier to college recruiters to review players because they dont waste time looking at players that atent graduating the year they're looking for.

A simple nobody else here but August loon wants GY would suffice and as illustrated from the question being ignored.

Its not GY its SY grouped by grade which is a HUGE difference.

SY grouped by grade does not allow holdbacks play down against younger players.

Walks like a duck, it is GY.

Holdbacks are too convoluted to accurately define and police based on 50 states having differing rules, people moving, international kids, homeschooling, lack of true documentation so not policeable, etc. but you already knew that. That is why a 12 month window has and will be used. Enforceable and standardized documentation are huge for clubs and leagues.

No its very different SY grouped by grade doesnt allow holdbacks which is where 99% of the issues with GY originate from.

SY grouped by grade would creat multiple cohort groups across a 12 month period. Meaning youth soccer would have about 3 categories for each age group, on grade, up a grade and below a grade with no way to consistently define or document grade. Not realistic. Remember, clubs needed 12 months to code their databases to go from BY to SY.

No, SY grouped by grade would have one team per grade. You might want to invest in a calender.

SY is 8/1 - 7/31. Grade differs by state. Leagues don't want different rules for each state. You haven't overcome the logistics at all. Which is why all in the know recognize that a 12 month ago window was is and will be used.

It doesnt work that way once recruiting is involved. To get noticed you need to play with your grade in school. Nobody cares about a 1-2 month variance when you're competing with players 1-4 years older including the transfer portal for a college roster spot.

Do you like being called a Moron?

You think the colleges are two daft to know what the graduation year is for the few players they're trying to recruit?
You do know there's only a few spaces in each recruiting year. Colleges don't need 15 Freshman on their soccer roster.

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

No it's not

It's why you were biobanded
How you perform while biobanded
How you performed after being biobanded, because no one biobands past U16
Its your new size past puberty and performance

Why dont clubs bioband past u16?

Because by U16 most if not all players have hit puberty
If you're a really late developer, then a top college ain't looking at you anyway.

Appreciate the honest response 👍

Exactly like I said. Pro clubs and College coaches doesnt take players playing down seriously. Which is why MLSN doesnt bioband past u16.

Chalk another one up for reality.

They take the individual player seriously based on the players performance

Not their label

There are many European Pro Players who were playing down as late as U18
Though, in several European countries, they actually have International Youth 'B' teams for only biobanded players

Kevin De Bruyne was on one and many others