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Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

It doesn't make any logical sense. But Republicans left the world of reason and common sense a long time ago. They are out to destroy wind, solar, and renewables, even though that's where all the demand and job growth is - even in Texas. It's become a political litmus test for Republicans - you must be all in with coal or otherwise you're not a good Republican.

Elon Musk is disgusted with this bill, so I'm hoping he uses his hundreds of billions to destroy Trump Republicans. This is an absolutely garbage bill on so many levels. If Americans were actually aware of what's in it, 95 percent would be opposed to it. I suspect Republican senators from red states know they are ending their careers voting for this and are seeking their golden parachutes now rather than show a little common sense and responsibility by defying Trump. The cult of MAGA is a wrecking ball for America. And it's a damn shame Democrats are so weak and pathetic at the moment.

Eh, should one person be able to do that?

No, but at least he'd be spending his billions here instead of sending them off to another continent.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

It doesn't make any logical sense. But Republicans left the world of reason and common sense a long time ago. They are out to destroy wind, solar, and renewables, even though that's where all the demand and job growth is - even in Texas. It's become a political litmus test for Republicans - you must be all in with coal or otherwise you're not a good Republican.

Elon Musk is disgusted with this bill, so I'm hoping he uses his hundreds of billions to destroy Trump Republicans. This is an absolutely garbage bill on so many levels. If Americans were actually aware of what's in it, 95 percent would be opposed to it. I suspect Republican senators from red states know they are ending their careers voting for this and are seeking their golden parachutes now rather than show a little common sense and responsibility by defying Trump. The cult of MAGA is a wrecking ball for America. And it's a damn shame Democrats are so weak and pathetic at the moment.

Eh, should one person be able to do that?

Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

It doesn't make any logical sense. But Republicans left the world of reason and common sense a long time ago. They are out to destroy wind, solar, and renewables, even though that's where all the demand and job growth is - even in Texas. It's become a political litmus test for Republicans - you must be all in with coal or otherwise you're not a good Republican.

Elon Musk is disgusted with this bill, so I'm hoping he uses his hundreds of billions to destroy Trump Republicans. This is an absolutely garbage bill on so many levels. If Americans were actually aware of what's in it, 95 percent would be opposed to it. I suspect Republican senators from red states know they are ending their careers voting for this and are seeking their golden parachutes now rather than show a little common sense and responsibility by defying Trump. The cult of MAGA is a wrecking ball for America. And it's a damn shame Democrats are so weak and pathetic at the moment.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

Nuclear.

^ Which, even if they waive or cut every single regulation, will not happen in 3 years.

These people live in a fantasy world.

Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

Nuclear.

Anonymous wrote:Not that public opinion matters...

Too little too late folks. You needed to express that opposition on election day, fools.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

“In 2029, cuts to Medicaid and SNAP would result in the loss of 1.2 million jobs nationwide, equivalent to a 0.8-percentage-point increase in the unemployment rate”

Explainer:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2025/jun/how-medicaid-snap-cutbacks-one-big-beautiful-bill-trigger-job-losses-states

Illegals should not get Medicaid or SNAP, so I'm ok with this. Medicaid lining the pockets of hospital systems because illegals get it is wrong.

“Illegals” don’t get these benefits. But they DO pay taxes into the system that pays for them. What’s freeloaders, huh?

They do. https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/state-health-coverage-for-immigrants-and-implications-for-health-coverage-and-care/#:~:text=Lawfully%20present%20immigrants%20may%20qualify,are%20not%20coverage%20for%20individuals.

OMG this is about immigrants. When will you and your ilk learn that immigrants are just immigrants? Not lawbreaking borderjumpers.

Nobody wants this bill and nobody wants guns. But what will change.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

“In 2029, cuts to Medicaid and SNAP would result in the loss of 1.2 million jobs nationwide, equivalent to a 0.8-percentage-point increase in the unemployment rate”

Explainer:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2025/jun/how-medicaid-snap-cutbacks-one-big-beautiful-bill-trigger-job-losses-states

Illegals should not get Medicaid or SNAP, so I'm ok with this. Medicaid lining the pockets of hospital systems because illegals get it is wrong.

“Illegals” don’t get these benefits. But they DO pay taxes into the system that pays for them. What’s freeloaders, huh?

They do. https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/state-health-coverage-for-immigrants-and-implications-for-health-coverage-and-care/#:~:text=Lawfully%20present%20immigrants%20may%20qualify,are%20not%20coverage%20for%20individuals.

Not that public opinion matters...

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Anonymous wrote:So the Republicans are ignoring the parliamentarian and the debt scoring, pretending that their bill is allowable.

As Durbin says, they are making the filibuster a Democrat-only hurdle. Iow, the filibuster is gone. Republicans have gotten rid of it. Majority votes for everything.

This process is incredible. I am stunned that the senators will go so far as to use fake rules.

By this plan, you claim every provision in every budget expires in a year or two, and then just extend it at no cost forever.

So much BS. How do these people live with themselves?!

Can someone explain for the slow people please?

The parliamentarian ruled on the Alaska carve out right? And it's not happening? That decision stands.

I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

“In 2029, cuts to Medicaid and SNAP would result in the loss of 1.2 million jobs nationwide, equivalent to a 0.8-percentage-point increase in the unemployment rate”

Explainer:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2025/jun/how-medicaid-snap-cutbacks-one-big-beautiful-bill-trigger-job-losses-states

Illegals should not get Medicaid or SNAP, so I'm ok with this. Medicaid lining the pockets of hospital systems because illegals get it is wrong.

Undocumented immigrants are generally not eligible for major federal public benefits like Social Security, Medicaid, and food assistance programs.

-Undocumented immigrants are largely excluded from federal public benefits, including means-tested benefits such as SNAP, regular Medicaid, SSI, and TANF.
-They are also ineligible for health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and cannot purchase unsubsidized health coverage on ACA exchanges.
-Without valid Social Security Numbers (SSN) and work authorization from the Department of Homeland Security, they cannot collect Social Security benefits, even if they've paid Social Security taxes.
-Similarly, undocumented workers are ineligible for unemployment benefits because state unemployment insurance programs are partially federally funded, and federal law prohibits payment to those without legal employment authorization.

Ironically, if they are using a fake SSN, then they are paying into a system they will never benefit from.

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Anonymous wrote:So the Republicans are ignoring the parliamentarian and the debt scoring, pretending that their bill is allowable.

As Durbin says, they are making the filibuster a Democrat-only hurdle. Iow, the filibuster is gone. Republicans have gotten rid of it. Majority votes for everything.

This process is incredible. I am stunned that the senators will go so far as to use fake rules.

By this plan, you claim every provision in every budget expires in a year or two, and then just extend it at no cost forever.

So much BS. How do these people live with themselves?!

Can someone explain for the slow people please?

Catherine Rampell: Senate just adopted a current policy baseline. This means they’re treating most of their tax cuts, which were slated to end this year, as “free” because people got used to having them before Congrats, every time you renew your Netflix or buy another Starbucks coffee or lease a new car, it’s now free.


The Senate is playing a semantic game to try to make this bill look less horrible.