Anonymous
08/06/2023 00:02
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).
R&D Expenditires for 2021:
1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion
6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion
11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion
16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion
21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million
31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million
41) Purdue--$680 million
These #s are basically junk as presented, especially given the combined medical centers that some have.
Prove it--as the rest of the world and the National Science Foundation know otherwise.
This is why other posters claim that UCal-Berkeley kids are smug & insufferable. You make outlandish claims that you cannot support than make childish remarks denigrating the facts when presented to you.
Cal doesn't have a med school or hospital/medical center though, does it? I don't have any Cal affiliation (I spent my time in CA across the Bay actually disliking Cal) but it does look like the med influence is a pretty big driver of a lot of the numbers you are citing.
Does it matter ? The UCal-Berkeley supporter claimed that Cal is the best public research university in the US. I asked that poster for any supporting data or source. Silence. No response. So I did a quick google search & found the NSF data and presented it.
I don't think you understand the UC system in Northern California though. The UC medical research, med school, and hospital for the Bay Area have been intentionally separated in the system, which is what UC-SF is (#2 on your list). They have dual degrees and a lot of cooperation with UCB but that hospital research and related $ goes to them. UCB and MIT are actually real standouts being on that list with no med schools or hospitals.
First you object to medical, now you want medical, yet you have presented no evidence whatsoever to support your assertion that "Cal is the best research university in the US."
Has UC-Berkeley objected to the National Science Foundation numbers and rankings ? No. End of story as it shows Berkeley to be #32, not #1, and about #17 among just public research universities, again not #1.
All you are doing is proving the other posters characterization of Cal folks. Please stop with the silliness. I am not your enemy. All I did was ask for a source of support for a ridiculous claim made without any basis.
Anonymous
08/06/2023 00:00
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Regardless, it is easy to understand the other posters characterization of Cal based on what has been posted in this thread recently.
True. If Cal had better football and actual interest in their sports in the Bay Area, the Big Ten would have immediately invited them! They are missing the biggest part of the profile the members of an athletic conference are looking at
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:57
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Regardless, it is easy to understand the other posters characterization of Cal based on what has been posted in this thread recently.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:55
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).
R&D Expenditires for 2021:
1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion
6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion
11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion
16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion
21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million
31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million
41) Purdue--$680 million
These #s are basically junk as presented, especially given the combined medical centers that some have.
Prove it--as the rest of the world and the National Science Foundation know otherwise.
This is why other posters claim that UCal-Berkeley kids are smug & insufferable. You make outlandish claims that you cannot support than make childish remarks denigrating the facts when presented to you.
Cal doesn't have a med school or hospital/medical center though, does it? I don't have any Cal affiliation (I spent my time in CA across the Bay actually disliking Cal) but it does look like the med influence is a pretty big driver of a lot of the numbers you are citing.
Does it matter ? The UCal-Berkeley supporter claimed that Cal is the best public research university in the US. I asked that poster for any supporting data or source. Silence. No response. So I did a quick google search & found the NSF data and presented it.
I don't think you understand the UC system in Northern California though. The UC medical research, med school, and hospital for the Bay Area have been intentionally separated in the system, which is what UC-SF is (#2 on your list). They have dual degrees and a lot of cooperation with UCB but that hospital research and related $ goes to them. UCB and MIT are actually real standouts being on that list with no med schools or hospitals.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:55
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:(OP here):
Google "National Science Foundation". It will distinguish the NSF from the National Institute of Health (NIH).
I think you're confused. What would be needed would be an NSF list for universities that doesn't include med school and hospital data.
I am not confused; I am trying to help you out. Did you even bother to google "National Science Foundation" and read the Wikipedia entry that distinguishes the NSF from the NIH ?
The NSF is an independent government agency.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:53
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
(OP here):
Back to the thread title topic.
Unfortunately, it does not appear that Cal & Stanford are going to be offered by the Big Ten Conference--at least for now. To me, adding Cal & Stanford would make sense if the goal is to form a 24 team mega-conference. The 6 West Coast teams could be in the same division which would preserve rivalries & minimize travel costs.
The decision is not made by the Big Ten Conference alone; decisions are made in conjunction with the broadcast partners. My impression is that the Big Ten University Presidents wanted Stanford, but the media partners were not onboard at this time. Things can change.
Back to the thread title topic.
Unfortunately, it does not appear that Cal & Stanford are going to be offered by the Big Ten Conference--at least for now. To me, adding Cal & Stanford would make sense if the goal is to form a 24 team mega-conference. The 6 West Coast teams could be in the same division which would preserve rivalries & minimize travel costs.
The decision is not made by the Big Ten Conference alone; decisions are made in conjunction with the broadcast partners. My impression is that the Big Ten University Presidents wanted Stanford, but the media partners were not onboard at this time. Things can change.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:49
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:(OP here):
Google "National Science Foundation". It will distinguish the NSF from the National Institute of Health (NIH).
I think you're confused. What would be needed would be an NSF list for universities that doesn't include med school and hospital data.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:47
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).
R&D Expenditires for 2021:
1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion
6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion
11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion
16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion
21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million
31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million
41) Purdue--$680 million
These #s are basically junk as presented, especially given the combined medical centers that some have.
Prove it--as the rest of the world and the National Science Foundation know otherwise.
This is why other posters claim that UCal-Berkeley kids are smug & insufferable. You make outlandish claims that you cannot support than make childish remarks denigrating the facts when presented to you.
Cal doesn't have a med school or hospital/medical center though, does it? I don't have any Cal affiliation (I spent my time in CA across the Bay actually disliking Cal) but it does look like the med influence is a pretty big driver of a lot of the numbers you are citing.
Does it matter ? The UCal-Berkeley supporter claimed that Cal is the best public research university in the US. I asked that poster for any supporting data or source. Silence. No response. So I did a quick google search & found the NSF data and presented it.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:43
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
(OP here):
Google "National Science Foundation". It will distinguish the NSF from the National Institute of Health (NIH).
Google "National Science Foundation". It will distinguish the NSF from the National Institute of Health (NIH).
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:41
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).
R&D Expenditires for 2021:
1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion
6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion
11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion
16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion
21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million
31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million
41) Purdue--$680 million
These #s are basically junk as presented, especially given the combined medical centers that some have.
Prove it--as the rest of the world and the National Science Foundation know otherwise.
This is why other posters claim that UCal-Berkeley kids are smug & insufferable. You make outlandish claims that you cannot support than make childish remarks denigrating the facts when presented to you.
Cal doesn't have a med school or hospital/medical center though, does it? I don't have any Cal affiliation (I spent my time in CA across the Bay actually disliking Cal) but it does look like the med influence is a pretty big driver of a lot of the numbers you are citing.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:40
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
That’s gonna be cool when they add UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:37
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).
R&D Expenditires for 2021:
1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion
6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion
11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion
16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion
21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million
31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million
41) Purdue--$680 million
These #s are basically junk as presented, especially given the combined medical centers that some have.
Prove it--as the rest of the world and the National Science Foundation know otherwise.
This is why other posters claim that UCal-Berkeley kids are smug & insufferable. You make outlandish claims that you cannot support then make childish remarks denigrating the facts when presented to you.
Check out the Fields Medals or Nobel Prizes
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:32
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).
R&D Expenditires for 2021:
1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion
6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion
11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion
16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion
21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million
31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million
41) Purdue--$680 million
These #s are basically junk as presented, especially given the combined medical centers that some have.
Prove it--as the rest of the world and the National Science Foundation know otherwise.
This is why other posters claim that UCal-Berkeley kids are smug & insufferable. You make outlandish claims that you cannot support than make childish remarks denigrating the facts when presented to you.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:29
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Cal fits what the Big Ten wants schools to be more than anything on the academic side. It is the best public research institution in the US and is the flagship university in a key state. That profile just doesn't matter for sports $$ right now though.
You have to remember that schools like Purdue, Northwestern, and Minnesota would never be invited to the party if things were being formed today. They're much more like Cal, Stanford, and Oregon State in adding value than Michigan or Ohio State.
A lot of misinformation in the above quoted post.
National Science Foundation R&D (research & development) Expenditures shows otherwise.
U Michigan, Ohio State University, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, and Northwestern all are shown to have higher R&D Expenditures than UCal-Berkeley for 2021, 2020, & 2019 and before.
U Michigan, U Washington, UCLA, UC-San Diego, and University of Wisconsin-Madison all have higher R&D Expenditures than #9 ranked Stanford.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 23:24
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:The National Science Foundation ranks R&D (research & development) Expenditures for over 1,000 colleges and universities and medical centers each year.
The most recent year that I have is for 2021: (UCal-Berkeley is ranked at #32 with $847 million in R&D expenditures).
R&D Expenditires for 2021:
1) Johns Hopkins University--$3.2 Billion
2) UC-San Francisco--$1.7 Billion
3) U Michigan--$1.64 Billion
4) U Penn--$1.63 Billion
5) U Washington-Seattle--$1.5 Billion
6) UCLA--$1.46 Billion
7) UC-San Diego--$1.426 Billion
8) U Wisconsin-Madison--$1.38 Billion
9) Stanford--$1.275 Billion
10) Harvard--$1.254 Billion
11) Duke--$1.238 Billion
12) Ohio State University--$1.236 Billion
13) UNC--$1.2 Billion
14) Cornell--$1.18 Billion
15) Yale--$1.165 Billion
16) Texas A&M--$1.147 Billion
17) U Maryland--$1.142 Billion
18) U Pittsburgh--$1.135 Billion
19) U Texas Cancer Center--$1.125 Billion
20) Georgia Tech--$1.115 Billion
21) Columbia--$1.10 Billion
22) U Minnesota--$1.073 Billion
23) NYU--$1.064 Billion
24) Vanderbilt--$1.019 Billion
25) WashUStL--$989 million
26) Penn State Univ.--$971 million
27) U Florida--$960 million
28) USC--$956 million
29) MIT--$949 million
30) Northwestern University--$913 million
31) Emory University--$853 million
32) UCal-Berkeley--$847 million
33) Icahn Mount Sinai--$820 million
34) UC-Davis--$817 million
35) U Texas-Austin--$779 million
41) Purdue--$680 million
These #s are basically junk as presented, especially given the combined medical centers that some have.