Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:53     Subject: 2022 Olympics
*think
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:53     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:


Or perhaps something to do with the positive test and the real story behind it? Out of all of them, I like Trusova would be the one to spill the beans on what has been going on in Eteri’s group, she actually left for a while so there’s a history.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:50     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Serious question for those with more medical/figure skating expertise than me...why did the Russian figure skater even need to dope? She seems on a completely different level than the other skaters, plus the illegal medicine seems mild (compared to others on the list). Does it make that much of a difference?


There’s no way of knowing how she would be performing if she were clean. Maybe without the help of the heart meds, she would’ve burned out in practice months ago when the world wasn’t watching. That coach has figured out a highly successful system to train little girls and is figuring out just how to push the limits of what an 15-17 year old is capable of before their bodies mature into women.

I’d love to see what they were capable of of they were all clean, but I highly doubt any of her athletes are now.


Actually, most of these girls are burning out from injuries at a young age, probably because they are excessively training and doing all these quads. If the ability to train harder/longer is helped by doping, it’s really a double edged sword because the rest of their body can’t handle it.

As I sort of suspected would happen, the situation got to Valieva. Finished off the podium, which is probably for the best.


She was forced to botch her performance!


Yep, she was. The higher ups knew a Russian skater would take gold in her place anyway, so why not force Kamila to mess up and let another Russian girl win and get the medal ceremony going? They don't care who wins as long as she's Russian. By the way, I'm not impressed with the winner either. I'm sure she has used banned substances also (same coach), especially during the Russian Nationals last year. She just hasn't been caught. I'm not an expert, but I have read many critics about her quads not really being quads because she pre-rotates them.


Eh maybe. Or maybe just a distraught, nervous 15yo. Why go through the pains to get her reinstated to compete only to have her botch the performances? She was looking shaky in practices too.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:46     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Is this conspiracy angle actually possible?
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:44     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
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Post 02/17/2022 09:42     Subject: Re:2022 Olympics
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:41     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Serious question for those with more medical/figure skating expertise than me...why did the Russian figure skater even need to dope? She seems on a completely different level than the other skaters, plus the illegal medicine seems mild (compared to others on the list). Does it make that much of a difference?


There’s no way of knowing how she would be performing if she were clean. Maybe without the help of the heart meds, she would’ve burned out in practice months ago when the world wasn’t watching. That coach has figured out a highly successful system to train little girls and is figuring out just how to push the limits of what an 15-17 year old is capable of before their bodies mature into women.

I’d love to see what they were capable of of they were all clean, but I highly doubt any of her athletes are now.


Actually, most of these girls are burning out from injuries at a young age, probably because they are excessively training and doing all these quads. If the ability to train harder/longer is helped by doping, it’s really a double edged sword because the rest of their body can’t handle it.

As I sort of suspected would happen, the situation got to Valieva. Finished off the podium, which is probably for the best.


She was forced to botch her performance!


Yep, she was. The higher ups knew a Russian skater would take gold in her place anyway, so why not force Kamila to mess up and let another Russian girl win and get the medal ceremony going? They don't care who wins as long as she's Russian. By the way, I'm not impressed with the winner either. I'm sure she has used banned substances also (same coach), especially during the Russian Nationals last year. She just hasn't been caught. I'm not an expert, but I have read many critics about her quads not really being quads because she pre-rotates them.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:39     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Serious question for those with more medical/figure skating expertise than me...why did the Russian figure skater even need to dope? She seems on a completely different level than the other skaters, plus the illegal medicine seems mild (compared to others on the list). Does it make that much of a difference?


There’s no way of knowing how she would be performing if she were clean. Maybe without the help of the heart meds, she would’ve burned out in practice months ago when the world wasn’t watching. That coach has figured out a highly successful system to train little girls and is figuring out just how to push the limits of what an 15-17 year old is capable of before their bodies mature into women.

I’d love to see what they were capable of of they were all clean, but I highly doubt any of her athletes are now.


Actually, most of these girls are burning out from injuries at a young age, probably because they are excessively training and doing all these quads. If the ability to train harder/longer is helped by doping, it’s really a double edged sword because the rest of their body can’t handle it.

As I sort of suspected would happen, the situation got to Valieva. Finished off the podium, which is probably for the best.


If you don't care about the individual athletes, it's a great system. You start with enough young kids knowing that some just won't ever develop enough skill, some will get injured, some will not be able to handle the training load (even with heart medication), some will burn out..., so that you'll be left with a handful of world class athletes.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:34     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:What a dramatic ending! I also thought the second place winner was upset about the 4th place one but appears no!

I really like the gold medal winner’s performance. Far better than the second place.


Agreed- if anything sasha’s component scores were too high. Anna is a much better skater overall. Thrilled for Kaori too!
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:32     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:Holy Cow!

Bless Johnny Weir for speaking Russian and being able to tell us what the Russians were saying during all that. Trusova was sobbing and ranting and refusing to go to the medal ceremony, seemingly upset by what Valieva is going through, but No! She was pissed she got the silver instead of gold!


This is next level! I kind of assumed that if valieva was being doped, all the Russian skaters in the group were, but this makes me wonder a bit if Trusova wasn’t. There’s some anger there.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:31     Subject: 2022 Olympics
“Finished off the podium, which is probably for the best.”

Agree!
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:29     Subject: 2022 Olympics
What a dramatic ending! I also thought the second place winner was upset about the 4th place one but appears no!

I really like the gold medal winner’s performance. Far better than the second place.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:23     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Holy Cow!

Bless Johnny Weir for speaking Russian and being able to tell us what the Russians were saying during all that. Trusova was sobbing and ranting and refusing to go to the medal ceremony, seemingly upset by what Valieva is going through, but No! She was pissed she got the silver instead of gold!
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:07     Subject: 2022 Olympics
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Serious question for those with more medical/figure skating expertise than me...why did the Russian figure skater even need to dope? She seems on a completely different level than the other skaters, plus the illegal medicine seems mild (compared to others on the list). Does it make that much of a difference?


There’s no way of knowing how she would be performing if she were clean. Maybe without the help of the heart meds, she would’ve burned out in practice months ago when the world wasn’t watching. That coach has figured out a highly successful system to train little girls and is figuring out just how to push the limits of what an 15-17 year old is capable of before their bodies mature into women.

I’d love to see what they were capable of of they were all clean, but I highly doubt any of her athletes are now.


Actually, most of these girls are burning out from injuries at a young age, probably because they are excessively training and doing all these quads. If the ability to train harder/longer is helped by doping, it’s really a double edged sword because the rest of their body can’t handle it.

As I sort of suspected would happen, the situation got to Valieva. Finished off the podium, which is probably for the best.


She was forced to botch her performance!
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2022 09:04     Subject: 2022 Olympics
This is a good article, and I hope that once the competition is over the conversation can be steered back here. The Russians are gaslighting again and it’s working- they shifted the conversation to kamila and her grandfather.

https://slate.com/culture/2022/02/kamila-valieva-coach-eteri-tutberidze-abuse-russia-doping.html?via=rss_socialflow_twitter