Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 14:08     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Putin is such a chad.

He reminds me of LBJ.

Who are Dems with chad energy?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 14:04     Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
He is absolutely insane and this is not good for the world

Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 13:25     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putin is hosed. He's backed himself into an unwinnable situation. Too bad for the Russian people.


How so? Europe and the US are not going to lift a finger to save Ukraine. Sanctions aren't going to do much. OPEC has more loyalty to its own members than outsiders, and Saudi Arabia won't budge on oil, which means Europe has a gas problem, since it gets its gas from Russia. China is in Russia's corner purely to act as counterweight against the West, which it wants to destabilize, on its way to becoming the world's next superpower.

Yes, it's an unwinnable situation for Ukraine and the West.

If you have opposing views backed by logical arguments, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.



I wonder where we would be today if the West had never made overtures to Ukraine and Georgia with respect to joining NATO. Perhaps the temperature in the room would be a bit lower, and we would have a greater level of trust between the U.S. and Russia. I think this is the root of the problem: the U.S. doesn't trust Russia, and they don't trust us, and each side has valid reasons for their opinion of the other.


Russia is, right now, proving why neither the US nor anyone else shouldn't trust them.
The temperature in the room would be a lot lower if Russia minded its own business, focused on its own internal problems, and treated its neighbors as the sovereign nations that they are instead of telling lies about them, trying to invade them and take them over.

Sorry but there is absolutely no defending Russia on this.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 13:18     Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine
Why does Ukraine want to join NATO and the West? Well, Russia’s current actions are plenty reason. Imagine a neighbor who created false allegations about you, spread them to everyone you knew, and then tried to take your property and kill you. Would you like that neighbor?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 11:28     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putin is hosed. He's backed himself into an unwinnable situation. Too bad for the Russian people.


How so? Europe and the US are not going to lift a finger to save Ukraine. Sanctions aren't going to do much. OPEC has more loyalty to its own members than outsiders, and Saudi Arabia won't budge on oil, which means Europe has a gas problem, since it gets its gas from Russia. China is in Russia's corner purely to act as counterweight against the West, which it wants to destabilize, on its way to becoming the world's next superpower.

Yes, it's an unwinnable situation for Ukraine and the West.

If you have opposing views backed by logical arguments, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.



I wonder where we would be today if the West had never made overtures to Ukraine and Georgia with respect to joining NATO. Perhaps the temperature in the room would be a bit lower, and we would have a greater level of trust between the U.S. and Russia. I think this is the root of the problem: the U.S. doesn't trust Russia, and they don't trust us, and each side has valid reasons for their opinion of the other.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 10:41     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Russian media is reporting that 2 Ukrainian armored military vehicles were destroyed inside Russia proper - you know, because what better time for Ukraine to invade Russia than when they're surrounded by 200,000 Russian troops?



This man just walked into my fist!


Putin's machine is pumping out gobs and gobs of obvious bullshit false flag propaganda. Let's see how stupid Russians are, if they actually believe any of it. Let's see how stupid pro-Russian trolls are on DCUM, as to whether they try to continue peddling their bullshit.

Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 10:13     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:

Russian media is reporting that 2 Ukrainian armored military vehicles were destroyed inside Russia proper - you know, because what better time for Ukraine to invade Russia than when they're surrounded by 200,000 Russian troops?



This man just walked into my fist!
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 10:08     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:The dumb Russian false flags are in motion. Russia is stupidly claiming there have been cross border attacks by Ukraine into Russian soil. Except, there is absolutely rationale for why Ukraine would even do such a thing. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/killed-5-saboteurs-who-crossed-from-ukraine-russian-army-2780806


Russian media is reporting that 2 Ukrainian armored military vehicles were destroyed inside Russia proper - you know, because what better time for Ukraine to invade Russia than when they're surrounded by 200,000 Russian troops?

Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 09:56     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
^ absolutely no rationale
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 09:55     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
The dumb Russian false flags are in motion. Russia is stupidly claiming there have been cross border attacks by Ukraine into Russian soil. Except, there is absolutely rationale for why Ukraine would even do such a thing. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/killed-5-saboteurs-who-crossed-from-ukraine-russian-army-2780806
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 09:48     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
So, did Russia attack or not? There is shelling, but not an invasion yet?
What the heck, media in the west is the worst.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 09:45     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Th traitors are easy to spot



I have been reading this thread for the past couple days.

It is past time for someone to point out that just because someone has a different perspective on foreign policy or a different idea of how to approach this crisis, that does NOT mean that person is a "traitor" or "puppet of Putin."

It is lazy and the sign of a weak argument to simply name call and throw such accusations.


Bullshit. It's a lazy, weak, asshole take to completely absolve Putin of his role in this and attempt to completely reframe all of it as a tail-wag-the-dog "uh it's Biden trying to deflect from his woes" particularly when the economy is booming, the covid surge has declined, and so much more. Tulsi Gabbard is deflecting and shielding Putin, who is the real problem here.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 09:31     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putin is hosed. He's backed himself into an unwinnable situation. Too bad for the Russian people.


How so? Europe and the US are not going to lift a finger to save Ukraine. Sanctions aren't going to do much. OPEC has more loyalty to its own members than outsiders, and Saudi Arabia won't budge on oil, which means Europe has a gas problem, since it gets its gas from Russia. China is in Russia's corner purely to act as counterweight against the West, which it wants to destabilize, on its way to becoming the world's next superpower.

Yes, it's an unwinnable situation for Ukraine and the West.

If you have opposing views backed by logical arguments, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.



Putin can't win. A war in Ukraine would be a long, grinding, house-to-house affair in urban places. Ukraine is the size of the north eastern quarter of the United States. It is not small. Such an action would make Russia a pariah-state. For a country with an economy smaller than Canada's, the effort would be devastating.


People are focused on what this will cost Ukraine or the United States or Western Europe. That makes some sense since a self-centered perspective is fairly natural. But such an action will cost Russia as well, and many of the doomsayers don't seem to take into consideration the costs to Russia.


It has been said before, and the cost to Russia will be far greater than the cost to the US or Europe. And this could easily destabilize Russia and cost Putin personally.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 09:13     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putin is hosed. He's backed himself into an unwinnable situation. Too bad for the Russian people.


How so? Europe and the US are not going to lift a finger to save Ukraine. Sanctions aren't going to do much. OPEC has more loyalty to its own members than outsiders, and Saudi Arabia won't budge on oil, which means Europe has a gas problem, since it gets its gas from Russia. China is in Russia's corner purely to act as counterweight against the West, which it wants to destabilize, on its way to becoming the world's next superpower.

Yes, it's an unwinnable situation for Ukraine and the West.

If you have opposing views backed by logical arguments, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.



Putin can't win. A war in Ukraine would be a long, grinding, house-to-house affair in urban places. Ukraine is the size of the north eastern quarter of the United States. It is not small. Such an action would make Russia a pariah-state. For a country with an economy smaller than Canada's, the effort would be devastating.


People are focused on what this will cost Ukraine or the United States or Western Europe. That makes some sense since a self-centered perspective is fairly natural. But such an action will cost Russia as well, and many of the doomsayers don't seem to take into consideration the costs to Russia.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2022 09:10     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:If war starts. Ukraine will loose. Could be days, weeks or months. The key is the resistance while occupied. How much will the Ukrainians resist?


It's spelled "lose," comrade.