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Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin is responsible along with others. I love how his PR machine is trying to pin it on everyone else.

If a surgeon is handed a drug and told it is a sedative, then administers it only for the patient to code and they learn it was actually a lethal toxin -- are they responsible? No.

The person whose job it is monitor, secure, and prepare the drugs is.

The surgeon is just the person who physically does the labor. They don't manufacture the drugs or prepare them for use.

Baldwin is just the person who physically does the labor. He doesn't prepare or check the instrument before doing his job.

A reasonable person ensures any firearm they handle is unloaded. That is the most basic and one of the first things you are taught. Not checking makes him reckless.

Have a coffee, dear. Then you'll be more reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin is responsible along with others. I love how his PR machine is trying to pin it on everyone else.

If a surgeon is handed a drug and told it is a sedative, then administers it only for the patient to code and they learn it was actually a lethal toxin -- are they responsible? No.

The person whose job it is monitor, secure, and prepare the drugs is.

The surgeon is just the person who physically does the labor. They don't manufacture the drugs or prepare them for use.

Baldwin is just the person who physically does the labor. He doesn't prepare or check the instrument before doing his job.

A reasonable person ensures any firearm they handle is unloaded. That is the most basic and one of the first things you are taught. Not checking makes him reckless.

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Anonymous wrote:DA is considering criminal charges.

https://dnyuz.com/2021/10/26/criminal-charges-possible-in-shooting-on-alec-baldwin-set-d-a-says/

Awesome!

Right-wing nut job source.

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Astonishing that radical lefties are fooling with guns at all, don't you think?

The radical lefties should not be handling guns. But neither should the pro-gun people. They're even more dangerous with their reckless behavior and total disregard, putting real bullets into a prop and then handing it off to someone who doesn't know how to use it.
Take home message is there should be no real guns on movie sets.

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Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin is responsible along with others. I love how his PR machine is trying to pin it on everyone else.

If a surgeon is handed a drug and told it is a sedative, then administers it only for the patient to code and they learn it was actually a lethal toxin -- are they responsible? No.

The person whose job it is monitor, secure, and prepare the drugs is.

The surgeon is just the person who physically does the labor. They don't manufacture the drugs or prepare them for use.

Baldwin is just the person who physically does the labor. He doesn't prepare or check the instrument before doing his job.

This is a good analogy. If for example the surgeon was also an administrator of the hospital, the hospital would have culpability, not the individual surgeon.
Curious if there are direct lines of report on set? Who does the armorer report to directly? I would think that’s the chain to follow.

Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin is responsible along with others. I love how his PR machine is trying to pin it on everyone else.

If a surgeon is handed a drug and told it is a sedative, then administers it only for the patient to code and they learn it was actually a lethal toxin -- are they responsible? No.

The person whose job it is monitor, secure, and prepare the drugs is.

The surgeon is just the person who physically does the labor. They don't manufacture the drugs or prepare them for use.

Baldwin is just the person who physically does the labor. He doesn't prepare or check the instrument before doing his job.

Alec Baldwin is responsible along with others. I love how his PR machine is trying to pin it on everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:DA is considering criminal charges.

https://dnyuz.com/2021/10/26/criminal-charges-possible-in-shooting-on-alec-baldwin-set-d-a-says/

Awesome!

It doesn’t say that they would be against Baldwin.

Isn’t anyone else heard that the AD who gave him the gun was involved in another weapon misfire in 2019?

Yeah and apparently there were 2 misfires that morning involving the same gun. It just seems like they hired inexperienced people or people known to be problematic in order to save money. I guess they planned to film the entire thing in 21 days. I bet they regret this now.

I never thought they'd be against Baldwin. The Head Armourer and the Assistant Director who grabbed, checked, and handed off the weapon? Absolutely.

Rookie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, who loaded the gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins while being handled by Alec Baldwin, was the subject of numerous complaints on her last movie.

Gutierrez-Reed, 24, upset crew members and star Nicolas Cage with her 'dangerous' gun handling on the set of The Old Way, just two months before Rust.

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He said that after Gutierrez-Reed discharged a weapon for the second time in three days without warning, Cage yelled: 'Make an announcement, you just blew my f**king eardrums out!' before reportedly storming off set.

Brumbaugh said he told the assistant director on the Montana set that Gutierrez-Reed needed to be fired: 'After the second round I was pissed off. We were moving too fast. She's a rookie.'

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Anonymous wrote:Karma is a very peculiar thing. Baldwin have always been anti-gun. Now he has to live with this for the rest of his life. Hope he will take some classes and learns how to handle weapon OR don't touch the weapon if he is clueless about guns.

Excuse me but how was being anti-gun deserving of karma?

He spoke openly against use of the guns. His lazy ass never bothered to learn the basics of the gun regulations and how to handle the weapon, because, you know, we should ban all guns. I didn't say he deserved it. But he has to live with this feeling for the rest of his life. I hope he will reconsider his views and will learn something about weapons. It is funny how life teach you something that you refuse to learn.

You don’t know what karma means.

Why didn't AB get some basic gun safety instruction?? Oh yeah, he hates guns.

PP keeps saying "Alec Baldwin was also an executive producer on the film." Can you give a source for this?

This is what I found:
"From a copy of the day's call sheet obtained by The Times, the producers on the project besides Baldwin were Matt DelPiano — who is Baldwin's manager and a former CAA agent — Ryan Smith, Anjul Nigam, Nathan Klingher and Ryan Winterstern. The film also had four executive producers." https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-credited-producer-rust-004442465.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

To me, it sounds as if Baldwin was NOT an executive producer. I'm not sure that being executive producer is that crucial in determining responsibility; if it is, though, I don't think Baldwin was one.

Moreover, other news reports say that it wasn't AB personally who was the producer; his production company was the producer. So, IF those reports are accurate, a corporation would be liable if a producer is liable, not AB personally.

Who can be charged with criminal responsibility will depend on the details of what happened which we do not yet know.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

I would think that anyone who has grown up around guns or has been trained to use them would view a someone who pulled the trigger as responsible for knowing if a gun is loaded

Exactly. Alec Baldwin seems generally reckless in his behavior.

How about the director who relied on the armorer and assistant director?

I don't really know their history. But people who anti-guns or learning about gun safety should never have a gun.

You don't know that the director was the other person who was shot? Put himself in front of a "cold gun" and asked Baldwin to aim it in his general direction?

Astonishing that radical lefties are fooling with guns at all, don't you think?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

I would think that anyone who has grown up around guns or has been trained to use them would view a someone who pulled the trigger as responsible for knowing if a gun is loaded

Exactly. Alec Baldwin seems generally reckless in his behavior.

How about the director who relied on the armorer and assistant director?

I don't really know their history. But people who anti-guns or learning about gun safety should never have a gun.

You don't know that the director was the other person who was shot? Put himself in front of a "cold gun" and asked Baldwin to aim it in his general direction?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

I would think that anyone who has grown up around guns or has been trained to use them would view a someone who pulled the trigger as responsible for knowing if a gun is loaded

Exactly. Alec Baldwin seems generally reckless in his behavior.

How about the director who relied on the armorer and assistant director?

I don't really know their history. But people who anti-guns or learning about gun safety should never have a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

I would think that anyone who has grown up around guns or has been trained to use them would view a someone who pulled the trigger as responsible for knowing if a gun is loaded

Exactly. Alec Baldwin seems generally reckless in his behavior.

How about the director who relied on the armorer and assistant director?