Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 20:13     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone saying it’s HER van, like it matters. They were a couple, living together, and outfitted the van together. Good chance it was in her name because insurance was cheaper. I’m sure there are plenty of people here driving a car that is in the other spouses name for some reason, does that not mean it’s not the family car?

We have 5 cars, some titled joint, some titled separate, depending on who was there to sign the papers.


You go on a road trip with your husband in your blue truck. He drives back home in the blue truck and you are not with him. A week goes by, and your friends haven't seen you and he won't say when he last saw you. Another week goes by. Nothing. What do you want your friends to do at this point? It sounds like you'd be happy for them to say, no biggie, it's his truck too, since that's what you're arguing here.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 20:10     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we have had different life experiences and that is why you see only one possible killer and I see multiple threats to this girl

I’m blonde, blue eyed and athletic

My life experience is that from the age of about 15 until well past my 40th birthday, I could not walk down the street, wait for a bus, stand in a checkin line at an airport, fly on a plane, use the hotel pool patio - sit at a table in a restaurant and wait for my date for 10 minutes without being approached, offered a ride , asked out , given a business card

Even by cops , “ you know this neighborhood isn’t a good place to wait for the bus , why don’t you let me give you a ride “

I was even pressured by a military officer in uniform at the Pentagon to accept a ride home

“ well, if your bf doesn’t work out ….here is my card “

Literally 10 x a day

All this girl had to do is say “ yes” to the wrong person - ONCE and she is toast

Doesn’t mean it’s Brian


Lol - all those people were not trying to kidnap and murder you.


No, but you’d be surprised how many of the men were hoping for sex - that day or one day soon - in other words they were not approaching me to solve global warming or to gain from me government intelligence or the latest stock tip -they just wanted a way into my pants - that day or the next week or month

Some men want it in the next hour and, yes, they might kill you for turning them down

The only way to be safe is to be confident and a brusque “ no thank you “ and on your way - multiple time’s a day for 30 years

Because that one mistake could cost you your life
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 20:08     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, the two options are: (1) he killed her, intentionally or accidentally; or (2) they had a fight and he left her somewhere and didn't report her missing. And then something happened.

He doesn't act like he has good sense, so I assume either are possible.



Ok yes. So if we can move past the inane chatter about her being an abuser who shouldn't be on social media, we can center on the real issue, which you have succinctly summarized here: either he abandoned her or killed her. I'm curious whether people think abandoned or killed is more likely?


Let this story be a lesson to all parents of boys: train them and drill it into their heads: if you are on a trip with a gf and want to break up - drive her to a police station or an airport and leave her with security personnel and make sure there are cameras and police witnesses that you left her safe - in public

Do NOT let her walk off alone without witnesses or yiu will be assumed to be her killer for the rest of your life

The girl may have met a foul end - but I am quite certain there are multiple psychos on the loose between Utah and Yellowstone - far more than there are beautiful , vulnerable and not too bright blonde girls


Truly amazing attitude here - first of all, statistically it's unlikely she was killed by a random psycho. It's much, much more likely she was killed by her partner. And second, if you parted ways with your girlfriend and then drove HER van and showed up across the country only to find out she was missing, wouldn't you at least offer the last place you saw her? He hasn't done that and has been totally uncooperative, as has his family.


If he just left her and was thinking she was totally fine, why retain a lawyer? Just in case? Not buying it.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 20:06     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Why is everyone saying it’s HER van, like it matters. They were a couple, living together, and outfitted the van together. Good chance it was in her name because insurance was cheaper. I’m sure there are plenty of people here driving a car that is in the other spouses name for some reason, does that not mean it’s not the family car?

We have 5 cars, some titled joint, some titled separate, depending on who was there to sign the papers.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 20:02     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I’m saying that - it is obvious from this thread- and the media in general that the narrative is : psycho bf kills innocent girl


This is not a "narrative." It's just overwhelmingly the truth:

"From 1980 to 2008, nearly 1 out of 5 murder victims were killed by an intimate partner (Cooper & Smith, 2011). In fact, available research shows that women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner (husband, boyfriend, same-sex partner, or ex) than by anyone else (Catalano, 2013; Violence Policy Center, 2015). Approximately 2 out of 5 female murder victims are killed by an intimate partner (Cooper & Smith, 2011). In 2013, fifteen (15) times as many females were murdered by a male they knew than were killed by male strangers. For victims who knew their offenders, 62% were wives, common-law wives, ex-wives, or girlfriends of the offenders (Violence Policy Center, 2015). "

https://vawnet.org/sc/scope-problem-intimate-partner-homicide-statistics
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:59     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, the two options are: (1) he killed her, intentionally or accidentally; or (2) they had a fight and he left her somewhere and didn't report her missing. And then something happened.

He doesn't act like he has good sense, so I assume either are possible.



Ok yes. So if we can move past the inane chatter about her being an abuser who shouldn't be on social media, we can center on the real issue, which you have succinctly summarized here: either he abandoned her or killed her. I'm curious whether people think abandoned or killed is more likely?


Let this story be a lesson to all parents of boys: train them and drill it into their heads: if you are on a trip with a gf and want to break up - drive her to a police station or an airport and leave her with security personnel and make sure there are cameras and police witnesses that you left her safe - in public

Do NOT let her walk off alone without witnesses or yiu will be assumed to be her killer for the rest of your life

The girl may have met a foul end - but I am quite certain there are multiple psychos on the loose between Utah and Yellowstone - far more than there are beautiful , vulnerable and not too bright blonde girls


Truly amazing attitude here - first of all, statistically it's unlikely she was killed by a random psycho. It's much, much more likely she was killed by her partner. And second, if you parted ways with your girlfriend and then drove HER van and showed up across the country only to find out she was missing, wouldn't you at least offer the last place you saw her? He hasn't done that and has been totally uncooperative, as has his family.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:55     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking his parents sent him away? Remember that kid who committed a crime and parents sent him to Israel? Can’t remember the details…


Probably unlikely he could leave via air without being flagged at that point. By land, I guess it’s possible and it does happen.


What point? The police just today said he's a missing person, not a suspect.

What "flag" do you think would have been applied here?
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:51     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we have had different life experiences and that is why you see only one possible killer and I see multiple threats to this girl

I’m blonde, blue eyed and athletic

My life experience is that from the age of about 15 until well past my 40th birthday, I could not walk down the street, wait for a bus, stand in a checkin line at an airport, fly on a plane, use the hotel pool patio - sit at a table in a restaurant and wait for my date for 10 minutes without being approached, offered a ride , asked out , given a business card

Even by cops , “ you know this neighborhood isn’t a good place to wait for the bus , why don’t you let me give you a ride “

I was even pressured by a military officer in uniform at the Pentagon to accept a ride home

“ well, if your bf doesn’t work out ….here is my card “
Literally 10 x a day

All this girl had to do is say “ yes” to the wrong person - ONCE and she is toast

Doesn’t mean it’s Brian


I agree with you BUT then he would have told police everything he knows. And he wouldn’t have stolen HER car and driven ALL THE WAY home with it and then not even cared when her parents called hysterical saying she’s missing.


Ahh….but here enter his parents and the lawyer they hired when ….my guess is he called them in a panic when he returned to the van and found her missing

Granted, he is not the sharpest person either - together they are a train wreck

Hence the advice : as mothers of sons- our boys now have to get their date sign a digital consent app prior to physical contact and if you break up while in a remote location - take her to a police station and leave her with witnesses - because if you have a son on this country - it is assumed he is a rapist and a killer


And if you are the mother of the girl, your child asked for it, is stupid, crazy, mentally I’ll and dumb.


I didn’t say she asked for it .

I’ve had to navigate my way in this world for over 50 years and the 1st time a man in a car approached me I was 11 walking home from school

I’m saying that - it is obvious from this thread- and the media in general that the narrative is : psycho bf kills innocent girl

Neither one of them showed good judgement- and I’ll extend that to BOTH sets of parents

They were both unstable and each should have been home with a job, a stable routine , developing a group of friends , some independence and financial independence and emotional independence

Instead, both basket cases were off faking it on Instagram and their parents were totally checked out - despite police intervention for Christ’s sake

So, lessons learned : don’t let your son / daughter go off deep end with another unstable person AND make sure all break ups happen in public place with witnesses that you left her safe
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:51     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking his parents sent him away? Remember that kid who committed a crime and parents sent him to Israel? Can’t remember the details…


YES.

This whole thing is Occam's Razor to me. Brian killed Gabby and took the van and drove it to his parents' house.

His parents are funding and assisting him fleeing. I think it's likely he's left the country.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:41     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, the two options are: (1) he killed her, intentionally or accidentally; or (2) they had a fight and he left her somewhere and didn't report her missing. And then something happened.

He doesn't act like he has good sense, so I assume either are possible.



Ok yes. So if we can move past the inane chatter about her being an abuser who shouldn't be on social media, we can center on the real issue, which you have succinctly summarized here: either he abandoned her or killed her. I'm curious whether people think abandoned or killed is more likely?


Let this story be a lesson to all parents of boys: train them and drill it into their heads: if you are on a trip with a gf and want to break up - drive her to a police station or an airport and leave her with security personnel and make sure there are cameras and police witnesses that you left her safe - in public

Do NOT let her walk off alone without witnesses or yiu will be assumed to be her killer for the rest of your life

The girl may have met a foul end - but I am quite certain there are multiple psychos on the loose between Utah and Yellowstone - far more than there are beautiful , vulnerable and not too bright blonde girls


I can’t speak to the vulnerable and not to bright aspects but clearly you haven’t been there if you think there aren’t many blonde girls! I had never seen so many blondes in my life!


Really - beautiful, model like blonde girls and all alone sleeping in a van in a parking lot - I doubt it
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:37     Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, the two options are: (1) he killed her, intentionally or accidentally; or (2) they had a fight and he left her somewhere and didn't report her missing. And then something happened.

He doesn't act like he has good sense, so I assume either are possible.



Ok yes. So if we can move past the inane chatter about her being an abuser who shouldn't be on social media, we can center on the real issue, which you have succinctly summarized here: either he abandoned her or killed her. I'm curious whether people think abandoned or killed is more likely?


Let this story be a lesson to all parents of boys: train them and drill it into their heads: if you are on a trip with a gf and want to break up - drive her to a police station or an airport and leave her with security personnel and make sure there are cameras and police witnesses that you left her safe - in public

Do NOT let her walk off alone without witnesses or yiu will be assumed to be her killer for the rest of your life

The girl may have met a foul end - but I am quite certain there are multiple psychos on the loose between Utah and Yellowstone - far more than there are beautiful , vulnerable and not too bright blonde girls


Or you could just train your sons to not be murderers.


Right! Because it’s that simple!
I am so sick of this ridiculous old trope. And I really think that people who trot it out are simple minded.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:33     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we have had different life experiences and that is why you see only one possible killer and I see multiple threats to this girl

I’m blonde, blue eyed and athletic

My life experience is that from the age of about 15 until well past my 40th birthday, I could not walk down the street, wait for a bus, stand in a checkin line at an airport, fly on a plane, use the hotel pool patio - sit at a table in a restaurant and wait for my date for 10 minutes without being approached, offered a ride , asked out , given a business card

Even by cops , “ you know this neighborhood isn’t a good place to wait for the bus , why don’t you let me give you a ride “

I was even pressured by a military officer in uniform at the Pentagon to accept a ride home

“ well, if your bf doesn’t work out ….here is my card “

Literally 10 x a day

All this girl had to do is say “ yes” to the wrong person - ONCE and she is toast

Doesn’t mean it’s Brian


Lol - all those people were not trying to kidnap and murder you.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:32     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Haven't fact checked this update: BL parents contacted NP police to tell them his last known location, and that they drove his Mustang home from said location.

Parents must have planned his escape. Told lawyer on Friday to inform NP police that son hadn't been seen since Tuesday. He left with backpack to hike at Myakkahatchee Creek. Allegedly, they went back today, found his car and drove it home??? This is some kind of crazy.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:32     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we have had different life experiences and that is why you see only one possible killer and I see multiple threats to this girl

I’m blonde, blue eyed and athletic

My life experience is that from the age of about 15 until well past my 40th birthday, I could not walk down the street, wait for a bus, stand in a checkin line at an airport, fly on a plane, use the hotel pool patio - sit at a table in a restaurant and wait for my date for 10 minutes without being approached, offered a ride , asked out , given a business card

Even by cops , “ you know this neighborhood isn’t a good place to wait for the bus , why don’t you let me give you a ride “

I was even pressured by a military officer in uniform at the Pentagon to accept a ride home

“ well, if your bf doesn’t work out ….here is my card “

Literally 10 x a day

All this girl had to do is say “ yes” to the wrong person - ONCE and she is toast

Doesn’t mean it’s Brian


I agree with you BUT then he would have told police everything he knows. And he wouldn’t have stolen HER car and driven ALL THE WAY home with it and then not even cared when her parents called hysterical saying she’s missing.


Ahh….but here enter his parents and the lawyer they hired when ….my guess is he called them in a panic when he returned to the van and found her missing

Granted, he is not the sharpest person either - together they are a train wreck

Hence the advice : as mothers of sons- our boys now have to get their date sign a digital consent app prior to physical contact and if you break up while in a remote location - take her to a police station and leave her with witnesses - because if you have a son on this country - it is assumed he is a rapist and a killer


Or at least don’t take off in HER car.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 19:30     Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we have had different life experiences and that is why you see only one possible killer and I see multiple threats to this girl

I’m blonde, blue eyed and athletic

My life experience is that from the age of about 15 until well past my 40th birthday, I could not walk down the street, wait for a bus, stand in a checkin line at an airport, fly on a plane, use the hotel pool patio - sit at a table in a restaurant and wait for my date for 10 minutes without being approached, offered a ride , asked out , given a business card

Even by cops , “ you know this neighborhood isn’t a good place to wait for the bus , why don’t you let me give you a ride “

I was even pressured by a military officer in uniform at the Pentagon to accept a ride home

“ well, if your bf doesn’t work out ….here is my card “

Literally 10 x a day

All this girl had to do is say “ yes” to the wrong person - ONCE and she is toast

Doesn’t mean it’s Brian


I agree with you BUT then he would have told police everything he knows. And he wouldn’t have stolen HER car and driven ALL THE WAY home with it and then not even cared when her parents called hysterical saying she’s missing.


Ahh….but here enter his parents and the lawyer they hired when ….my guess is he called them in a panic when he returned to the van and found her missing

Granted, he is not the sharpest person either - together they are a train wreck

Hence the advice : as mothers of sons- our boys now have to get their date sign a digital consent app prior to physical contact and if you break up while in a remote location - take her to a police station and leave her with witnesses - because if you have a son on this country - it is assumed he is a rapist and a killer