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Anonymous wrote:I think she may save thousands of lives with her honesty and determination to protect her mental health. I bet there are teenagers, hell, maybe even adults who may now feel less ashamed to admit to mental struggles and maybe more likely to seek help. I frankly see it as a heroic, world changing act. She’s a bigger hero now than she was before.

So which is it? A cause of the "twisties" or a larger mental health issue?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition. Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points. On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points. On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points. That's 4.3 points total. Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold. It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.

Sorry, that's 4.2 points. Typing on my phone.

If Simone would have withdrawn earlier, the replacement would have come from the replacement athletes (Kayla DiCello or Emma M as Kara tested positive for Covid and Leanne had to quarantine). Jade was not in that pool since her position was not on the “team roster”.

Pretty sure McKayla Skinner was also available as an alternate, and vault is her strongest apparatus.

Same story, she was in an individual spot, which I don’t believe could be used to fill an open team spot.

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How awful
For her

The NY Post is hardly the most reliable source. The NY Times and news agencies are calling it a medical issue.

Mental issues are medical issues. I would be surprised if it’s not something mental. I feel awful for her.

No one is disputing that mental issues are medical issues. What is in dispute is people jumping to conclusions when nothing has been officially released.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/27/sports/gymnastics-olympics-results#russia-wins-gold-medal-gymnastics

In the biggest upset for the United States at the Tokyo Games, Simone Biles withdrew from the gymnastics team competition after it had started on Tuesday, handing Russia’s squad a path to the gold medal and ending American domination of the event for more than a decade.

Biles, Team U.S.A.’s star, said she pulled out of the event because she wasn’t in the right place mentally to perform the difficult and often dangerous skills she is known for, after feeling so much pressure to be successful. She had been struggling with the stress of being the greatest gymnast in history, she said, and outside expectations were just too hard to combat.

Way to go media.

Meanwhile Wash Post keeps churning out articles on how Biles is going to rework USA gymnastics so everyone looks like her and is Black. How gymnastics is racist and too many whites and not welcoming to Black but that's all going to have to change.

I hope Biles doesn't read that garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.

So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.

White people don't think nearly as much about black people as you think they do.

as a white person, I completely agree with this. We have our own lives etc.

It’s constantly been show in football. Once they allowed black men to be quarterbacks they are more likely to run the ball and end their career early. With white quarterbacks (Trm Brady famously) are protected by both their coaches and referees.

Oh please thus us such bs. Jane one black quarterback that didn’t choose their own destiny. Michael Vick, who I hate because of the dog fighting crap, was an amacng quarterback because of his mobility in the pocket, not his arm. It’s what he did at VT and why he was so successful. Same goes for RG III, amazing mobility which is the dynamic HE brought to the team and what made him successful in Texas. Lamar Jackson is NOT a pocket passer, never was, but he is amazing with his feet as all football players regardless of their skin color have to be. And to your point, the Baltimore coaches have gone out of their way to work with Lamar and give him a broader game so he is not running out of the pocket and injuring himself. Unfortunately people like yoh wake up everyday and see what they want to see, not what they should see. Goodluck with your anger.

Nobody is angry it’s long been studied. The NBA analyzes every call and identifies referees that make more bad calls for black players. They don’t fire them but they retrain them. It’s not made up. There are referees tgat favor the home team and they are retrained. But treating black players differently is documented. Even his often a black player runs the ball but the a white player is given the short run for the TD.

Why are you do emotionally invested in defending bad practices.

This is stupid. It is very likely a qb is getting hit by a black defensive player.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.

So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.

White people don't think nearly as much about black people as you think they do.

as a white person, I completely agree with this. We have our own lives etc.

It’s constantly been show in football. Once they allowed black men to be quarterbacks they are more likely to run the ball and end their career early. With white quarterbacks (Trm Brady famously) are protected by both their coaches and referees.

Oh please thus us such bs. Jane one black quarterback that didn’t choose their own destiny. Michael Vick, who I hate because of the dog fighting crap, was an amacng quarterback because of his mobility in the pocket, not his arm. It’s what he did at VT and why he was so successful. Same goes for RG III, amazing mobility which is the dynamic HE brought to the team and what made him successful in Texas. Lamar Jackson is NOT a pocket passer, never was, but he is amazing with his feet as all football players regardless of their skin color have to be. And to your point, the Baltimore coaches have gone out of their way to work with Lamar and give him a broader game so he is not running out of the pocket and injuring himself. Unfortunately people like yoh wake up everyday and see what they want to see, not what they should see. Goodluck with your anger.

Nobody is angry it’s long been studied. The NBA analyzes every call and identifies referees that make more bad calls for black players. They don’t fire them but they retrain them. It’s not made up. There are referees tgat favor the home team and they are retrained. But treating black players differently is documented. Even his often a black player runs the ball but the a white player is given the short run for the TD.

Why are you do emotionally invested in defending bad practices.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.

So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.

White people don't think nearly as much about black people as you think they do.

as a white person, I completely agree with this. We have our own lives etc.

It’s constantly been show in football. Once they allowed black men to be quarterbacks they are more likely to run the ball and end their career early. With white quarterbacks (Trm Brady famously) are protected by both their coaches and referees.

Oh please thus us such bs. Jane one black quarterback that didn’t choose their own destiny. Michael Vick, who I hate because of the dog fighting crap, was an amacng quarterback because of his mobility in the pocket, not his arm. It’s what he did at VT and why he was so successful. Same goes for RG III, amazing mobility which is the dynamic HE brought to the team and what made him successful in Texas. Lamar Jackson is NOT a pocket passer, never was, but he is amazing with his feet as all football players regardless of their skin color have to be. And to your point, the Baltimore coaches have gone out of their way to work with Lamar and give him a broader game so he is not running out of the pocket and injuring himself. Unfortunately people like yoh wake up everyday and see what they want to see, not what they should see. Goodluck with your anger.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.

So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.

White people don't think nearly as much about black people as you think they do.

as a white person, I completely agree with this. We have our own lives etc.

It’s constantly been show in football. Once they allowed black men to be quarterbacks they are more likely to run the ball and end their career early. With white quarterbacks (Trm Brady famously) are protected by both their coaches and referees.

Oh please thus us such bs. Jane one black quarterback that didn’t choose their own destiny. Michael Vick, who I hate because of the dog fighting crap, was an amacng quarterback because of his mobility in the pocket, not his arm. It’s what he did at VT and why he was so successful. Same goes for RG III, amazing mobility which is the dynamic HE brought to the team and what made him successful in Texas. Lamar Jackson is NOT a pocket passer, never was, but he is amazing with his feet as all football players regardless of their skin color have to be. And to your point, the Baltimore coaches have gone out of their way to work with Lamar and give him a broader game so he is not running out of the pocket and injuring himself. Unfortunately people like yoh wake up everyday and see what they want to see, not what they should see. Goodluck with your anger.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.

So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.

White people don't think nearly as much about black people as you think they do.

as a white person, I completely agree with this. We have our own lives etc.

It’s constantly been show in football. Once they allowed black men to be quarterbacks they are more likely to run the ball and end their career early. With white quarterbacks (Trm Brady famously) are protected by both their coaches and referees.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.

So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.

White people don't think nearly as much about black people as you think they do.

as a white person, I completely agree with this. We have our own lives etc.

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Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.

So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.

White people don't think nearly as much about black people as you think they do.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault. With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach. Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade. 3.5 points is a LOT to make up. And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.

In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition. Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points. On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points. On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points. That's 4.3 points total. Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold. It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.

Sorry, that's 4.2 points. Typing on my phone.

If Simone would have withdrawn earlier, the replacement would have come from the replacement athletes (Kayla DiCello or Emma M as Kara tested positive for Covid and Leanne had to quarantine). Jade was not in that pool since her position was not on the “team roster”.