Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 19:08     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If this was Tysons, there may be a glimmer of it being successful. But IMO, all of the little cities and townships, including Herndon, Falls Church, Vienna, etc, are all pockets of stagnation in terms of development. Look at them, nothing but strip malls and old buildings with residents looking to hold onto "charm" that is little more than moldy construction long past time when they should have been torn down. In comparison, Tysons corner is dynamic with real drive and vision behind it.


This has little to do with what is driving the study to explore incorporation, even if one assumes Tysons is “dynamic.” But maybe it, rather than GF and McLean, can be the cash cow to prop up other parts of the county in the future.


Note the earlier PP suggesting that the data, percentage of homes with school age children, might undermine the argument that McLean pays for the rest of the county - maybe doesn't even pay for itself due to the high percentage of homes with school age children - note that every ES along with MHS is overcrowded. Not assuming this is accurate - just interested in seeing data.


Part of the rationale would be having sufficient control to enhance the schools, not ignore problems for years and then shuffle kids around so that, say, trailers disappear from McLean HS but then end up at Cooper MS for years instead.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 18:32     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At least two problems with that (probably more)...

1) Langley would need to expand capacity to support the enrollments from those six feeder ES

2) MHS facility would be used by FCPS, but inside the McLean City boundaries, meaning few of the students attending would live anywhere near MHS and have a domino effect on the attendance zones for Marshall, Madison, and adjoining regions, pushing boundary zones south and east, and further increasing busing requirements, etc.

3) Similar major boundary impacts in the western region, as Herndon could not simply absorb all of Forestville and Great Falls ES... likewise resulting in greater average travel distances between students and the schools they are zoned for.


Maybe MHS would be the one that is in McLean and Langley would be for the county.


Oh, well in that case I'd refer you to back issues #1-3 (but swap the names), as all of the same problems would still apply regardless of which school was the city one vs. the county one.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 17:43     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If this was Tysons, there may be a glimmer of it being successful. But IMO, all of the little cities and townships, including Herndon, Falls Church, Vienna, etc, are all pockets of stagnation in terms of development. Look at them, nothing but strip malls and old buildings with residents looking to hold onto "charm" that is little more than moldy construction long past time when they should have been torn down. In comparison, Tysons corner is dynamic with real drive and vision behind it.


This has little to do with what is driving the study to explore incorporation, even if one assumes Tysons is “dynamic.” But maybe it, rather than GF and McLean, can be the cash cow to prop up other parts of the county in the future.


Note the earlier PP suggesting that the data, percentage of homes with school age children, might undermine the argument that McLean pays for the rest of the county - maybe doesn't even pay for itself due to the high percentage of homes with school age children - note that every ES along with MHS is overcrowded. Not assuming this is accurate - just interested in seeing data.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 17:18     Subject: Re:McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
The MCA types taking the lead with this initiative include a bunch of people who’d rather eat nails than pay taxes for sidewalks on their secluded suburban streets. However, they would take much better care of the local schools than the clowns running FCPS and, for that reason alone, have my blessing.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 17:00     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:If this was Tysons, there may be a glimmer of it being successful. But IMO, all of the little cities and townships, including Herndon, Falls Church, Vienna, etc, are all pockets of stagnation in terms of development. Look at them, nothing but strip malls and old buildings with residents looking to hold onto "charm" that is little more than moldy construction long past time when they should have been torn down. In comparison, Tysons corner is dynamic with real drive and vision behind it.


Yeah real vision with zero sidewalks.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 16:59     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:McLean can't get their act together to get that dumpy retail area redeveloped next door to Giant on Chain Bridge Road. Residents are so difficult to deal with the county is actually offering developers incentives. https://www.fcrevite.org/economic-incentive-program

And the citizens are going to come together, rise up and succeed? LMFAO


It’s so obvious who really wants this to fail ^^. Can’t bear to see the FCPS cash cow disappear, can you?
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 14:30     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:If this was Tysons, there may be a glimmer of it being successful. But IMO, all of the little cities and townships, including Herndon, Falls Church, Vienna, etc, are all pockets of stagnation in terms of development. Look at them, nothing but strip malls and old buildings with residents looking to hold onto "charm" that is little more than moldy construction long past time when they should have been torn down. In comparison, Tysons corner is dynamic with real drive and vision behind it.


This has little to do with what is driving the study to explore incorporation, even if one assumes Tysons is “dynamic.” But maybe it, rather than GF and McLean, can be the cash cow to prop up other parts of the county in the future.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 13:56     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
If this was Tysons, there may be a glimmer of it being successful. But IMO, all of the little cities and townships, including Herndon, Falls Church, Vienna, etc, are all pockets of stagnation in terms of development. Look at them, nothing but strip malls and old buildings with residents looking to hold onto "charm" that is little more than moldy construction long past time when they should have been torn down. In comparison, Tysons corner is dynamic with real drive and vision behind it.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 13:53     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:McLean can't get their act together to get that dumpy retail area redeveloped next door to Giant on Chain Bridge Road. Residents are so difficult to deal with the county is actually offering developers incentives. https://www.fcrevite.org/economic-incentive-program

And the citizens are going to come together, rise up and succeed? LMFAO


That new program relates to six different areas in the county. It reflects a change in county policy recognizing that developers have been assembling commercial parcels in areas like McLean and then holding on to them as a bargaining chip to try and get the type of development incentives the county is now offering (in McLean's case, beginning in 2024).

If McLean were a separate entity, progress on the redevelopment efforts in the central area wouldn't hinge on a larger county deciding how it wanted to address multiple other areas at the same time.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 13:38     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
McLean can't get their act together to get that dumpy retail area redeveloped next door to Giant on Chain Bridge Road. Residents are so difficult to deal with the county is actually offering developers incentives. https://www.fcrevite.org/economic-incentive-program

And the citizens are going to come together, rise up and succeed? LMFAO
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 13:38     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:At least two problems with that (probably more)...

1) Langley would need to expand capacity to support the enrollments from those six feeder ES

2) MHS facility would be used by FCPS, but inside the McLean City boundaries, meaning few of the students attending would live anywhere near MHS and have a domino effect on the attendance zones for Marshall, Madison, and adjoining regions, pushing boundary zones south and east, and further increasing busing requirements, etc.

3) Similar major boundary impacts in the western region, as Herndon could not simply absorb all of Forestville and Great Falls ES... likewise resulting in greater average travel distances between students and the schools they are zoned for.


Maybe MHS would be the one that is in McLean and Langley would be for the county.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 13:35     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OK at least three, lol, as I thought of another while I was writing. Overall, it's just not a realistic approach.


Agreed. If there were to be a new jurisdiction it would need to include almost everything currently zoned to McLean and Langley, except for perhaps the small parts of Herndon and Reston zoned to Langley and the Timber Lane island in Falls Church zoned to McLean.


so you cleave off the business center that the county has heavily invested in as well as the wealthiest neighborhoods and you think the county and state will just rubber stamp it?
What business center in McLean? Tysons would stay in Fairfax County.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 13:20     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OK at least three, lol, as I thought of another while I was writing. Overall, it's just not a realistic approach.


Agreed. If there were to be a new jurisdiction it would need to include almost everything currently zoned to McLean and Langley, except for perhaps the small parts of Herndon and Reston zoned to Langley and the Timber Lane island in Falls Church zoned to McLean.


so you cleave off the business center that the county has heavily invested in as well as the wealthiest neighborhoods and you think the county and state will just rubber stamp it?


If you’re referring to Tysons, the “business center” of Tysons is primarily within the Marshall HS boundaries and all four of the Metro stations in Tysons are either within the Marshall boundaries or straddle them.

I make no assumptions about what the state might approve. I do think that, if this moves forward, they’ll have to deal one way or the other with the consequences of having a substantial number of people living north of Tysons wanting to exit the county and FCPS. It certainly won’t help their future marketing efforts for Tysons.
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 13:04     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OK at least three, lol, as I thought of another while I was writing. Overall, it's just not a realistic approach.


Agreed. If there were to be a new jurisdiction it would need to include almost everything currently zoned to McLean and Langley, except for perhaps the small parts of Herndon and Reston zoned to Langley and the Timber Lane island in Falls Church zoned to McLean.


so you cleave off the business center that the county has heavily invested in as well as the wealthiest neighborhoods and you think the county and state will just rubber stamp it?
Anonymous
Post 12/10/2020 12:51     Subject: McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Wealthy areas in Boston did it too- Brookline and Newton. The end result was fabulous school systems and outstanding infrastructure for their residents.


+1. I'll move to McLean if this happens.