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Post 07/03/2020 20:21     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.


The impending backlash.....
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Post 07/03/2020 17:40     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.


Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?


Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?


DP. Reparations aren’t meaningful. People keep pointing this out, that reparations do nothing to address systemic causes of racism for this and future generations, in fact they’d reduce funding and political support for reforms that actually are “meaningful.” You seem to have no answer, so you keep describing them in terms like “meaningful.”
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 17:37     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.


Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?


Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?

DP here. Personally, I don't think anything called "reparations" is helpful or feasible. I think there are better ways and I've mentioned some on this thread. 50% of black people agree with me. But the other 50% seem.to hate me for this. I think I'll talk to the other guys and see how I can help them.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 17:33     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.


Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?


Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?


My point was that “they” don’t exist. It’s a bunch of individuals voting for all different kinds of ideas and expectations. It’s messy. The reality is, like it or not (I didn’t vote for Biden in the primary) the choice is Trump or Biden.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 17:33     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.

You changed a flag, got some people to march around, and got a few cities to make controversial and possibly ineffective changes to their police forces. Now that we made a few little changes, you want an open promise to spend unknown (but massive) amounts of money on an unspecified (but feel free to add your own) list of reparations programs that may or may not solve systemic racism. If you don't get this, you'll stay home in November so that the guy who witholds money from sick children wins the election.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 17:28     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.


Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?


Why should white Democrats expect our continued support when they are clearly losing the will to help the movement in a meaningful way (reparations)?

Did they ever want to advance the cause, or is it all for show?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 17:17     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are
Biden said he would study reparations, that's all. He's a good guy, but he won't stick his neck out that far for you. You haven't even convinced a majority of Democrats to support this.


So, more of the same? A major movement will come to a stop because white Democrats are too fragile to put their money where their mouth is? I’m not surprised


It was never a major movement. Only half of blacks support it, and only 20% of whites. It's not fragility to avoid something this unpopular, it's smart.


Smart for who?

White Democrats, thanks for letting the world know how you truly feel


Reparations are dumb as policy. I say that as a liberal democrat, and I'm the one who posted above that "If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism." I and others would totally agree to pay higher taxes to reform public schools, for universal healthcare, and to subsidize college education. These policies, unlike reparations, would make lasting changes in the systemic causes of racism for this generation and future generations.


1. Reparations are NOT dumb as policy. As someone said very early in this topic, the easiest way to improve someone’s situation is to give them money!

2. Instead of reparations, you prefer to raise taxes to provide more funds to public schools, healthcare, and colleges? These institutions all have racism baked into their structures, as they have been dominated by white folks.

Seems that you would rather have money that should go for reparations instead go to a bunch of racist institutions dominated by whites. I’m sure they will appreciate the money.



1) No. Giving away money doesn’t work. Giving someone a job and a purpose (and ability to earn money) does.
2) Agreed. Raising taxes doesn’t work either. If gov. gives $$$ for higher ed, etc. something else will have onto be cut.

First, disband HUD. It started the racist housing policies in the first place (under FDR) and is now run by a surgeon. WTF? Take all that funding and start a jobs and higher ed program for blacks. All jobs and education have to be technology, science or engineering related. 50 year program. Then let nature take its course. Second, all college application acceptance decisions can no longer consider a person’s name, race, address, financial situation, or high school. Just academics, extra-curriculars, class rank, test scores (up to school), age, work exp., and essay. If accepted, blacks can apply to federal program for financial grant program which also guarantees a job (under prior explained program) if certain gpa and degree achieved. Non-blacks not eligible for this. Applicants must prove they are AA US born citizens whose prior three generations did not immigrate to the US.


Those all sound like great programs to support a comprehensive reparations program.

Nope. You are not getting cash. Better start saving up for those latest sneakers and iPhones for the whole fam.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 16:17     Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Japan paid reparations for WWII.

“According to Article 14 of the Treaty of Peace with Japan (1951): ‘Japan should pay reparations to the Allied Powers for the damage and suffering caused by it during the war. Japan will promptly enter into negotiations with Allied Powers’.“

Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 16:02     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.


Who is this y'all that you’re talking to? Obviously not someone like me who supports reparations and also realizes that Trump has got to go. Why would you cast your vote as some sort of transaction/favor towards others and not just decide for yourself weather Biden or Trump is the best choice?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 15:51     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.


This makes no sense. Check out the list of BLM accomplishments--there are plenty of items that happened because of progressive and Dem support. As you point out yourself. Reparations are not a "simple request" and "all we ask." Reparations are dumb policy that won't do anything to address long-term systemic problems, and in fact will take away funding and political support from more meaningful report.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2020 15:14     Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Post 07/02/2020 08:28     Subject: Re:It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

Shapiro is right.

Anonymous
Post 07/02/2020 08:21     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

Only about 50% of the American citizens pay taxes currently.

The other 50% do not pay taxes but get supported financially already be it directly be it free Obamacare, welfare, foodstamps or having their kids attend schools, drive on the highways etc.

We already have a system of financial redistribution in place.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2020 08:12     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are


You do not have momentum, except for hard core activists. This lifelong Democrat does not support reparations.


Hard core activists just got Mississippi to change its flag. Hard core activists got hundreds of thousands of people of all colors to come out of their homes in the middle of a pandemic to protest against racist police. Hard core activists have gotten Juneteenth celebrated in places beyond Texas. Hard core activists
are getting major cities to disband their police departments, and to divert funds to more worthy causes. Hard core activists have racists on the run.

Yet all we ask for are reparations, and y’all get cold feet on us? You expect us to go vote for Biden, but you throw cold water on our simple request to make things right. After all of the progress we made in the past month, you want to pull the okie-doke on us yet again? This won’t be forgotten.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2020 07:12     Subject: It's (finally) time for reparations. It's time for the US to pay its debt.

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Regardless of the merits, reparations is political suicide for African Americans. Few will support a program that benefits only 12% of Americans. And even if such a program passed, African Americans will be resented thereafter by a large segment of the population. For better, we are now a country of people from all over the world, most of whom had nothing to do with the evils of slavery. By pursuing reparations, African Americans separate themselves from other immigrants, whether legal or not, and from other segments of our working class and those disadvantaged. I do not see how that benefits African Americans on a range of other issues. The preferred approach is to adopt programs that benefit all segments of the working class, which presumably will disproportionally African Americans.



If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism. Like better public schools in poor areas, universal healthcare, subsidized college education.


I just don’t understand why all these folks are getting negative about reparations? The time has come for reparations, and we are finally in a position where we will elect a president who will follow through on this previously broken promise. Why pump the brakes when we have the momentum? We are on the correct side of history, so let’s act like we are
Biden said he would study reparations, that's all. He's a good guy, but he won't stick his neck out that far for you. You haven't even convinced a majority of Democrats to support this.


So, more of the same? A major movement will come to a stop because white Democrats are too fragile to put their money where their mouth is? I’m not surprised


It was never a major movement. Only half of blacks support it, and only 20% of whites. It's not fragility to avoid something this unpopular, it's smart.


Smart for who?

White Democrats, thanks for letting the world know how you truly feel


Reparations are dumb as policy. I say that as a liberal democrat, and I'm the one who posted above that "If we do reparations, we'll have less money and less political support for programs that actually matter for dismantling systemic racism." I and others would totally agree to pay higher taxes to reform public schools, for universal healthcare, and to subsidize college education. These policies, unlike reparations, would make lasting changes in the systemic causes of racism for this generation and future generations.


1. Reparations are NOT dumb as policy. As someone said very early in this topic, the easiest way to improve someone’s situation is to give them money!

2. Instead of reparations, you prefer to raise taxes to provide more funds to public schools, healthcare, and colleges? These institutions all have racism baked into their structures, as they have been dominated by white folks.

Seems that you would rather have money that should go for reparations instead go to a bunch of racist institutions dominated by whites. I’m sure they will appreciate the money.



1) No. Giving away money doesn’t work. Giving someone a job and a purpose (and ability to earn money) does.
2) Agreed. Raising taxes doesn’t work either. If gov. gives $$$ for higher ed, etc. something else will have onto be cut.

First, disband HUD. It started the racist housing policies in the first place (under FDR) and is now run by a surgeon. WTF? Take all that funding and start a jobs and higher ed program for blacks. All jobs and education have to be technology, science or engineering related. 50 year program. Then let nature take its course. Second, all college application acceptance decisions can no longer consider a person’s name, race, address, financial situation, or high school. Just academics, extra-curriculars, class rank, test scores (up to school), age, work exp., and essay. If accepted, blacks can apply to federal program for financial grant program which also guarantees a job (under prior explained program) if certain gpa and degree achieved. Non-blacks not eligible for this. Applicants must prove they are AA US born citizens whose prior three generations did not immigrate to the US.


Those all sound like great programs to support a comprehensive reparations program.