Anonymous wrote:I can't stand either but totally team Carole. Bethenny used Carole for support and gave none back. she used "things" to compensate. Carole is rich and has access to those things on her own...she doesn't need it and did not need a useless friend.

+1 Bethenny used her because she had no true friends on the show. very telling that she now professes to be good friends with Sonja when not to long ago she said Sonja was dead to her. Got to wonder how crazy and nasty she has been to her former husband. Not saying what he did stalking her was right but I think she has to drive someone pretty far with her nasty behavior. There are always two sides to every story.

Real person. Never met Bethenny. On her team. Carole makes me cringe. Everything about her is odious to me this season.

I can't stand either but totally team Carole. Bethenny used Carole for support and gave none back. she used "things" to compensate. Carole is rich and has access to those things on her own...she doesn't need it and did not need a useless friend.

Hate Bethenny. Carole was a breath of fresh air.

I’m also a real person. Posted one time upthread. Team Bethenny. Hate Carole.

Another regular human non-media pro-Bethenny DCUM Mum who has posted here. I dont really care that much-I have my opinions but really the RHW franchises are my time to turn off my brain; it's not that deep.

Another pro-Bethenny poster that's a real person.

I have honestly had the thought that some of the very vitriolic posts about her are from Jason or someone in his camp. Because he seems deranged and obsessed with her and let's keep it real, he does have plenty of time on his hands.

But then I tell myself, nah that can't be possible.

And yet, some of these posts are just really over the top weird. Just a weird tone to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so glad Carole is off the show. She was such a bore and became a mean girl, just desperate to try and fit in wit the younger people. Meanwhile she looked like a granny and looked so foolish.

Sonja I love but seriously her PDA is just too much, she makes such a fool of herself. How can any decent man ever take her seriously?

Carole was a mean girl? WTH. NP here and I have walked into a Bethenny Frankle PR machine.

I agree with you. This Carole-hate mystifies me. So often, Carole is the only adult in the room - calm, rational, and mature. She is incredibly observant and a gifted writer. Her friendship with Heather was the type of friend relationship I strive for.

Shaking my head...

There may be one poster here who is team Bethenny. The rest are her pr machine. Yes, she has people paid to do this. Notice the attack above when it was called out. Someone nailed it upthreat. Bethenny is a brand not a person and she goes to insane lengths to protect her revenue source. These awful bravo shows are a requirement for her to maintain her lifestyle. Her brand dies if she isn't the biggest bitch on the show.

I haven't psted at all and I'm totally team Bethenny. Yes, her brand is very important to her - but she's also a person, and her brand isn't hinged on being liked by everyone. I think it's very conspiracy theorist to assume she has people posting in this thread on her behalf. Like she gives an eff? Good or bad publicity is publicity and she's one person who is as quick to laugh at herself as anyone else.

I posted once or twice many pages ago, but I'm team Bethenny in this feud too. Bethenny's personality can be aggressive and annoying, but she's more of a fully-realized person to me than Carole. Carole just kind of gloms on to one person each year, and she doesn't seem to have much of a personality other than that. Bethenny going to Puerto Rico and handing out money and talking to people who are living through a nightmare is just more interesting, as a person and for TV, than Carole hemming and hawing about whether she cares if Adam has a new girlfriend and completing a marathon. So I was already kind of team Bethenny before this thread, which led me to Carole's blogs. After that: game over. Calling Carole mature and levelheaded and so forth after those blogs is confusing to me. Bethenny is definitely high strung and probably wouldn't be great to know IRL (good TV, though), but at least she's not pretending to want to salvage a friendship on TV while going nuclear online.

Yep. I've posted once (maybe a second time several weeks ago? I forget) and I'm team B too. Sorry, not an employee of hers, not a russian bot, just a middle-aged housewife that watches this franchise.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so glad Carole is off the show. She was such a bore and became a mean girl, just desperate to try and fit in wit the younger people. Meanwhile she looked like a granny and looked so foolish.

Sonja I love but seriously her PDA is just too much, she makes such a fool of herself. How can any decent man ever take her seriously?

Carole was a mean girl? WTH. NP here and I have walked into a Bethenny Frankle PR machine.

I agree with you. This Carole-hate mystifies me. So often, Carole is the only adult in the room - calm, rational, and mature. She is incredibly observant and a gifted writer. Her friendship with Heather was the type of friend relationship I strive for.

Shaking my head...

There may be one poster here who is team Bethenny. The rest are her pr machine. Yes, she has people paid to do this. Notice the attack above when it was called out. Someone nailed it upthreat. Bethenny is a brand not a person and she goes to insane lengths to protect her revenue source. These awful bravo shows are a requirement for her to maintain her lifestyle. Her brand dies if she isn't the biggest bitch on the show.

Now her PR machine not only posts on social media prolifically, but they also troll insignificant (sorry DCUM) message boards to respond. And you must believe they somehow all vote in those WWHL polls that come out in Bethenny's favor. Maybe it's Russian bots!

This is some grassy knoll level stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so glad Carole is off the show. She was such a bore and became a mean girl, just desperate to try and fit in wit the younger people. Meanwhile she looked like a granny and looked so foolish.

Sonja I love but seriously her PDA is just too much, she makes such a fool of herself. How can any decent man ever take her seriously?

Carole was a mean girl? WTH. NP here and I have walked into a Bethenny Frankle PR machine.

I agree with you. This Carole-hate mystifies me. So often, Carole is the only adult in the room - calm, rational, and mature. She is incredibly observant and a gifted writer. Her friendship with Heather was the type of friend relationship I strive for.

Shaking my head...

There may be one poster here who is team Bethenny. The rest are her pr machine. Yes, she has people paid to do this. Notice the attack above when it was called out. Someone nailed it upthreat. Bethenny is a brand not a person and she goes to insane lengths to protect her revenue source. These awful bravo shows are a requirement for her to maintain her lifestyle. Her brand dies if she isn't the biggest bitch on the show.

I haven't psted at all and I'm totally team Bethenny. Yes, her brand is very important to her - but she's also a person, and her brand isn't hinged on being liked by everyone. I think it's very conspiracy theorist to assume she has people posting in this thread on her behalf. Like she gives an eff? Good or bad publicity is publicity and she's one person who is as quick to laugh at herself as anyone else.

Anonymous wrote:I don't watch most of the RHO shows. I've always watched this one because the women had interesting lives/jobs and there were friendships. I hate when they have trashy fights but I know Bravo loves it for the bump in ratings. I wish Bethenny would be honest to her therapist so she can deal with her abandonment issues. I enjoy the shows more when we see the inevitable contention that is handled by adults who care about one another. That is gone to hell now.

I sort of agree with you, but one of the reasons I like RHONY so much (stopped watching the other franchises years ago) is that they have known each other for years now and their friendships ebb and flow. Even Dorinda, who joined later, already knew a few of them for years.

I disagree with a PP above who wants a younger housewife with young kids. I'd prefer to have someone who runs in the same circles as these women or who they know rather than a random one-off like Tinsley, Jules, Kelly, Kristen, etc. Although they may have to bring someone younger on for Tinsley to hang out with otherwise she'll have no storyline.

I don't watch most of the RHO shows. I've always watched this one because the women had interesting lives/jobs and there were friendships. I hate when they have trashy fights but I know Bravo loves it for the bump in ratings. I wish Bethenny would be honest to her therapist so she can deal with her abandonment issues. I enjoy the shows more when we see the inevitable contention that is handled by adults who care about one another. That is gone to hell now.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so glad Carole is off the show. She was such a bore and became a mean girl, just desperate to try and fit in wit the younger people. Meanwhile she looked like a granny and looked so foolish.

Sonja I love but seriously her PDA is just too much, she makes such a fool of herself. How can any decent man ever take her seriously?

Carole was a mean girl? WTH. NP here and I have walked into a Bethenny Frankle PR machine.

I agree with you. This Carole-hate mystifies me. So often, Carole is the only adult in the room - calm, rational, and mature. She is incredibly observant and a gifted writer. Her friendship with Heather was the type of friend relationship I strive for.

Shaking my head...

There may be one poster here who is team Bethenny. The rest are her pr machine. Yes, she has people paid to do this. Notice the attack above when it was called out. Someone nailed it upthreat. Bethenny is a brand not a person and she goes to insane lengths to protect her revenue source. These awful bravo shows are a requirement for her to maintain her lifestyle. Her brand dies if she isn't the biggest bitch on the show.

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Anonymous wrote:I just feel it's only right that I put this out there: there is a lot of talk about how Bethenny can't keep friends.

My cousin grew up in Florida and became friends with Bethenny in the olden days. They had children within a year of each other. My cousin moved to NY in her mid 20's and was on her show a few times. My cousin just moved back to South Florida a couple of years ago. They are still friends. That's 25+ years of friendship.

Yes...and? Bethenny, by her own admission, has a very few long-term, uncomplicated friendships. This sounds like one of them.

Meanwhile, fraught/complex/broken friendships with:
LuAnn
Ramona
Alex
Jill
Kelly
Heather
Kristen
Jules
Carole
Dorinda
Sonja
Tinsley
Her mother
Her father
Her stepfather
At least two of her assistants
Jason
Her first husband
The two other guys she was engaged to
Dennis

That’s great that you got to brag about your cousin’s connection to a famous person, but I think we all see the pattern. And I say this as a Bethenny fan.

This is the dumbest post ever. Judging what a good friend someone is by discussing their relationship with someone they were put on reality show with. She couldn't make it work with Heather, oh no!

Really? So you attend dinner parties with friends and casual acquaintances and...routinely break down and go after people?

How very odd.

I'm not saying Bethenny should (or even can) be good friends with every single cast member. But the fact that she is at the core of every catastrophic meltdown, every season that she's on...yeah, maybe the [problem IS] ratings are because of her. She doesn't have to be besties with all of them, but the fact that she can't even maintain a surface-level, social acquaintance with so many people is just odd. It really is.

Fixed that for you.

And as for the list above. Most of the people B and they just didn't like each other. You can't say they were broken or fraught or complex friendships because they were never friends to begin with. I bet I could list just as many people that you've met/worked with/been at the same party with that you don't like or don't like you. The difference is that she's paid to be entertaining on a "reality" show. She's paid (just like the others are, by the way) to create DRAMA. So, where you and I would just not even engage in people we don't like (or who don't like us) and walk away, these people are paid to confront and fight. Might as well choose the people you don't like.

Obviously the Carole and Jill situation is different, but your list is just wrong.

...except it's not.

-np