Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:09
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1146094045500343&id=158307244279033
Great! When will they start US domestic service and create some competition!?
The US, like most countries, does not allow foreign carriers to compete on domestic routes. It's why you don't see United or Emirates flying Toronto-Montreal, or Turkish flying Beijing to Shanghai.
We already have 4 major carriers: United, American, Delta, and Southwest, along with smaler carriers like Alaska, Sun Country, and Allegiant. Is there insufficient competition?
OMG between this and the completely serious response to the sitting on the toilet person, there is an airline employee on here with a stick up her butt.
You are so right.! I wasn't expecting a response to my sitting on the toilet post
I almost spit my coffee when I read it was against the guidelines
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:09
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1146094045500343&id=158307244279033
Great! When will they start US domestic service and create some competition!?
The US, like most countries, does not allow foreign carriers to compete on domestic routes. It's why you don't see United or Emirates flying Toronto-Montreal, or Turkish flying Beijing to Shanghai.
We already have 4 major carriers: United, American, Delta, and Southwest, along with smaler carriers like Alaska, Sun Country, and Allegiant. Is there insufficient competition?
That's obviously insufficient. If competition were effective, air travel would not be the hell that it is. There is no incentive for any domestic airline to provide even the most rudimentary experience. They collectively get away with the worst because of the lack of competition and route/time monopolies.
It's not lack of competition. It's the willingness of customers to sacrifice a lot for a lower price. Remember when checked bags used to be free? Now it's $25+ per bag on all but Southwest, and airlines make billions a year from it. First one airline did it, then the others followed when they found they were losing out customers to the airlines that offered lower fares but had baggage fees.
It's a race to the bottom, because most customers care only about price. JetBlue has a sort of premium product and they are doing OK, but not great. That's who I'd recommend flying with.. or fly first class on the major carriers.
There's a lot the carriers could do to lower costs, but their hands are tied by unions. For instance WAY too many flight attendants on domestic flights. Most of these flights are not serving food or beverage, so there's no need for cabin service. It should be more like rail service or bus service with minimal flight attendants.
I really don't mind a la carte pricing like Spirit. Pay for what you use is better for most everyone.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:09
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:According to new article on WaPo, entire flight had boarded (people in seats) AND THEN the four United employees approached the gate agent saying they needed a seat.
So that is why this happened after everyone had boarded. So next time you get on an airplane, you aren't really safe until it takes off, because they can just come on board and remove you. This was not an overbooked or oversold flight. This was an example of entitlement by United employees, all of them.
Sorry, link here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/04/11/amid-pr-fiasco-over-dragged-passenger-united-ceo-defends-his-crew/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc773c41ee25
Are you new to this thread? This is not new information....
No I am not new. But there has been much discussion re the limit of cash that can be offered to passengers if they get bumped for oversold, and what their rights are. Hut this article clearly states this wasn't an oversold situation, which closes one can of worms posters continue to discuss and opens a brand new one. There has also been much discussion on why did they wait for everyone to board, what does boarding mean, etc. this article is relevant to that.
Relax man.
Oversold is a term of art. It means selling more seats than are available for sale. Once the employees arrived, United decided that 4 seats were no longer available for sale. Thus, there is an oversold situation.
Term of art? Really? Because at what point did the plane become oversold? Does it always apply to employees? When the people had already boarded? Or when the gate agent had knowledge of the United employees needing seats. I think this would be a case law issue. I mean who decides all this, only the airlines?!
I don't trust United to self investigate this to exonerate themselves on defining "boarding" or "oversold" or anything else.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:08
Subject: Don't fly United
Let's get to the important question....was it an on time departure?
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:04
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1146094045500343&id=158307244279033
Great! When will they start US domestic service and create some competition!?
The US, like most countries, does not allow foreign carriers to compete on domestic routes. It's why you don't see United or Emirates flying Toronto-Montreal, or Turkish flying Beijing to Shanghai.
We already have 4 major carriers: United, American, Delta, and Southwest, along with smaler carriers like Alaska, Sun Country, and Allegiant. Is there insufficient competition?
That's obviously insufficient. If competition were effective, air travel would not be the hell that it is. There is no incentive for any domestic airline to provide even the most rudimentary experience. They collectively get away with the worst because of the lack of competition and route/time monopolies.
It's not lack of competition. It's the willingness of customers to sacrifice a lot for a lower price. Remember when checked bags used to be free? Now it's $25+ per bag on all but Southwest, and airlines make billions a year from it. First one airline did it, then the others followed when they found they were losing out customers to the airlines that offered lower fares but had baggage fees.
It's a race to the bottom, because most customers care only about price. JetBlue has a sort of premium product and they are doing OK, but not great. That's who I'd recommend flying with.. or fly first class on the major carriers.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:01
Subject: Don't fly United
In the end, the guy is a hero, imo.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 14:00
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1146094045500343&id=158307244279033
Great! When will they start US domestic service and create some competition!?
The US, like most countries, does not allow foreign carriers to compete on domestic routes. It's why you don't see United or Emirates flying Toronto-Montreal, or Turkish flying Beijing to Shanghai.
We already have 4 major carriers: United, American, Delta, and Southwest, along with smaler carriers like Alaska, Sun Country, and Allegiant. Is there insufficient competition?
That's obviously insufficient. If competition were effective, air travel would not be the hell that it is. There is no incentive for any domestic airline to provide even the most rudimentary experience. They collectively get away with the worst because of the lack of competition and route/time monopolies.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:59
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:According to new article on WaPo, entire flight had boarded (people in seats) AND THEN the four United employees approached the gate agent saying they needed a seat.
So that is why this happened after everyone had boarded. So next time you get on an airplane, you aren't really safe until it takes off, because they can just come on board and remove you. This was not an overbooked or oversold flight. This was an example of entitlement by United employees, all of them.
How were they cutting it that close? If four crewmembers had to get to Louisville, how was it that the first time the gate agents were made aware of this fact was when they showed up at the gate? Clearly the crew were notified and had time to dress, pack and travel to the airport. And yet their seats were not reserved before the whole plane was boarded? WTF?
I don't know why the employees cut it so close, but according to the Post that information came from the CEO's memo. The 4 employees literally asked to get a seat after everyone had boarded, totally last minute. Eye witness accounts from people on the plane said when the 4 crew members came on to take the empty seats people started yelling at them.
The employees didn't do it for fun. It was either a last minute reassignment or their incoming flight was late (no surprise at O'Hare).
But someone directed them to that flight. Surely someone knew they'd need those seats before the plane had finished boarding. They could have called the gate and avoided this whole scenario.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:59
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1146094045500343&id=158307244279033
Great! When will they start US domestic service and create some competition!?
The US, like most countries, does not allow foreign carriers to compete on domestic routes. It's why you don't see United or Emirates flying Toronto-Montreal, or Turkish flying Beijing to Shanghai.
We already have 4 major carriers: United, American, Delta, and Southwest, along with smaler carriers like Alaska, Sun Country, and Allegiant. Is there insufficient competition?
OMG between this and the completely serious response to the sitting on the toilet person, there is an airline employee on here with a stick up her butt.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:56
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1146094045500343&id=158307244279033
Great! When will they start US domestic service and create some competition!?
Ask Congress. Only domestic carriers fly domestically.
If they opened it to foreign competition, United, Delta and American would go the way of Pan Am, Eastern and TWA.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:55
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1146094045500343&id=158307244279033
Great! When will they start US domestic service and create some competition!?
The US, like most countries, does not allow foreign carriers to compete on domestic routes. It's why you don't see United or Emirates flying Toronto-Montreal, or Turkish flying Beijing to Shanghai.
We already have 4 major carriers: United, American, Delta, and Southwest, along with smaler carriers like Alaska, Sun Country, and Allegiant. Is there insufficient competition?
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:53
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:When all is said and done, it would have been A HELL of a lot cheaper for UA to put its staff on a competitor's flight at full fare.
There was none. Only other flight was on American, and that had already left by this point.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:52
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:According to new article on WaPo, entire flight had boarded (people in seats) AND THEN the four United employees approached the gate agent saying they needed a seat.
So that is why this happened after everyone had boarded. So next time you get on an airplane, you aren't really safe until it takes off, because they can just come on board and remove you. This was not an overbooked or oversold flight. This was an example of entitlement by United employees, all of them.
Sorry, link here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/04/11/amid-pr-fiasco-over-dragged-passenger-united-ceo-defends-his-crew/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc773c41ee25
Are you new to this thread? This is not new information....
No I am not new. But there has been much discussion re the limit of cash that can be offered to passengers if they get bumped for oversold, and what their rights are. Hut this article clearly states this wasn't an oversold situation, which closes one can of worms posters continue to discuss and opens a brand new one. There has also been much discussion on why did they wait for everyone to board, what does boarding mean, etc. this article is relevant to that.
Relax man.
Oversold is a term of art. It means selling more seats than are available for sale. Once the employees arrived, United decided that 4 seats were no longer available for sale. Thus, there is an oversold situation.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:51
Subject: Don't fly United
When all is said and done, it would have been A HELL of a lot cheaper for UA to put its staff on a competitor's flight at full fare.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:51
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:United acted like assholes but was within their rights. People should be mad, boycott, protest, etc.
When you are asked to deplane you should do so .. argue / throw a fit / etc. fine but get the fuck off the plane. If LEO/security comes to then further remove you. Comply. Simple as that. Why everyone act like this guy was not a complete asshole for trying to be combative at the point I don't understand. United didn't manhandle him... security did once he wouldn't comply. Pretty much every party involved here was an asshole.
I read (and have no idea if this is true) but that the doc was on the phone with his lawyer when the police / security arrived and asked them to wait while he sought legal advice.