Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 15:02     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the people who already knew Disney is infested with gators:
It's a white sand beach that reaches the water. The child was one foot from the sand, in inches of water. Had he been 12 inches back, standing on the sand, watching the movie, the fireworks, whathaveyou, and been attacked by the very same alligator, would you still blame the parents? At what point is Disney culpable?


Why does anyone have to be culpable? Maybe something tragic happened and no one is to blame.


Yeah I just don't see how Disney is culpable for a wild animal wandering into their pond. It happens. Sometimes there's just no blame.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 15:01     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:All the people who already knew Disney is infested with gators:
It's a white sand beach that reaches the water. The child was one foot from the sand, in inches of water. Had he been 12 inches back, standing on the sand, watching the movie, the fireworks, whathaveyou, and been attacked by the very same alligator, would you still blame the parents? At what point is Disney culpable?


Why does anyone have to be culpable? Maybe something tragic happened and no one is to blame.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:58     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Most of the time gators are really not an immediate danger. You can see one lying around fat and lazy in Magic Kingdom and be in no danger. I've been within feet of them at state parks and such and they just sit there usually. They almost never lunge after humans. This was truly a freak accident.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:57     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I stayed at that resort. I thought the lagoons by the resort were man made and that perhaps they had a block of some sort so alligators would not get in. I walked around on that beach at night with my small kids not realizing that alligators could jump out and bite you. There were only signs that said no swimming and I assumed it was because the lagoon is more like a murky pond than a cleaner lake.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:57     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Why can't disney dredge the lake and kill everything in it? It's basically a pool for vacationers.


No vacationer should be in it.
They could also drege it and kill everything and about 2 days later more animals would be back in it. It's a natural habitat for wildlife.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:56     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought that everyone knew that gators "could" be anywhere in Florida. just like sharks could be in the ocean. just like forests have bears and the sky has lightening. I know these things and don't necessarily need signs to remind me.


I'm from Toronto and no I wouldn't know that they'd be in a lagoon in a huge tourist attraction like Disney.


Yep. Even as a Orlando resident, Disney passholder, have stayed almost all of their resorts over my lifetime. Never have I seen a gator, snake, etc. Heck we've never even been bit by mosquitos at the resorts or parks. It's all so perfect and manufactured it never occurred to us that they didn't take precautions against this.


...because they spray harsh chemicals every night to kill the mosquitoes. But they apparently don't take similar precautions with the gators.

Tons of gator sightings on the DisBoards...even inside the gates of magic kingdom. Unbelievable!

And no warning signs anywhere.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:56     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Why can't disney dredge the lake and kill everything in it? It's basically a pool for vacationers.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:54     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Pp here, I'm not blaming the parents either. I'm just shocked anyone anywhere sees that kind of water and is like "let's get in'!"
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:53     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this mindset that if something bad happens to you unexpectedly you feel entitled that someone should have predicted it and prevented it for you.


+1000. This is what's wrong with America. Should Disney have posted signs warning about alligators? Probably. But who is ultimately responsible for this tragedy? The parents who allowed their 2 y/o to wade/swim in 12 inches of water at 9:30 despite the "No swimming" signs. The average 2 y/o is about 2 feet & this child was in 1 foot of water at night. Of course something tragic could happen. Unfortunately, it did and the child paid the ultimate consequence. I don't understand how anyone could think Disney is responsible for this.[/quo

People like you scare the hell out of me. Heart of stone.


Seeing how newborns are born between 20-22", you are sorely mistaken on this matter. Try 34", but go on and pull false information out of your ass to try to backup your incredibly stupid comment.


Wth. The child was ankle deep. Ankle deep!!!!! If the child were not in the water, merely standing next to the water, the gater would have gotten him. Stop with the signage. No matter what, the signs were grossly inadequate when Disney hosted a movie viewing targeted at children right before the fireworks show right by the alligator infested lake that Disney knew about. Just a terrible disgustingly risky action that Disney I'm sure has already accounted for in its insurance policy. The whole situation is hard to stomach. And they still haven't found this poor baby yet.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:53     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



You know what I don't see on this sign? "Gators in water. Beware."


Really? You must be either a lawyer or an Clinton supporter (definition of what "is" is)...

Gators are mobile and come and go from lakes all over Florida looking for food. No swimming means don't go into the water!


Ha! I am neither! Not a lawyer and a lifelong Republican.

You know what else I am: SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW GATOR PRACTICES. So if I see a sign telling me not to swim, I don't swim. But I might wade. Because the sign didn't say anything about gators. About which I know little.


I was just saying to a friend, two years ago, I probably would have waded, too. I moved to Florida a year and a half ago, and now I look at that body of water and see all the indicia of alligators (except the warning sign, that you'd expect here), so I'd know to stay out. Two years ago I probably woul have had no idea. I'd have waded, or let my dog wade (if dogs were allowed). I wouldn't have thought twice seeing a kid wade. And a "steep dropoff" sign wouldn't have scared me because I'm a good swimmer - so I might even have taken a dip.

Now I know better. But that's only because I live in Florida and have gotten used to things here. Tourists? It seems profoundly stupid to have an inviting body of water and not give better warnings about why they should stay out of it.


That area in the picture doesn't even exist anymore.


I grew up in Georgia and this type of lagoon pond you NEVER FUCKING GO IN. That thing looks sketch as hell and all manner of bacteria, bug, water snake and gator are in that water and Disney can't do a damn thing about it. Because nature's gonna nature. I've never been to Disney but if I went I would have zero notions of entering that kind of muck pond. Can't believe people do.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:52     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought that everyone knew that gators "could" be anywhere in Florida. just like sharks could be in the ocean. just like forests have bears and the sky has lightening. I know these things and don't necessarily need signs to remind me.


I'm from Toronto and no I wouldn't know that they'd be in a lagoon in a huge tourist attraction like Disney.


Yep. Even as a Orlando resident, Disney passholder, have stayed almost all of their resorts over my lifetime. Never have I seen a gator, snake, etc. Heck we've never even been bit by mosquitos at the resorts or parks. It's all so perfect and manufactured it never occurred to us that they didn't take precautions against this.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:49     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I thought that everyone knew that gators "could" be anywhere in Florida. just like sharks could be in the ocean. just like forests have bears and the sky has lightening. I know these things and don't necessarily need signs to remind me.


I'm from Toronto and no I wouldn't know that they'd be in a lagoon in a huge tourist attraction like Disney.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:48     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Are we 100% certain that this is the first sighting or attack, ever?


Definitely not the first sighting.

Multiple threads on the DisBoards talking about seeing gators inside Magic Kingdom, near splash mountain, by tom sawyers island, near this lagoon, on trails at wilderness lodge, etc. People make it sound like they were startled the first time, but have seen them during every visit. They must be everywhere.

Disney opted to forego posting signs, but they knew gators were a present threat.

I hope disney pays through the nose. This type of negligence is horrific.


HOW IS THIS NEGLIGENCE?? Alligators are everywhere in Florida!


Disney builds a beach resort by an alligator infested lagoon and tells families to come on down for family fun and fireworks. They do not warn anyone to beware of alligators. Also with small children running around on their "beach" they are asking for trouble.


The encouragement to come down to the beach and hang out, putting so many activities at the beach, and without warning of predators, definitely puts them at risk.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:47     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"


Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.



You know what I don't see on this sign? "Gators in water. Beware."


Really? You must be either a lawyer or an Clinton supporter (definition of what "is" is)...

Gators are mobile and come and go from lakes all over Florida looking for food. No swimming means don't go into the water!


Ha! I am neither! Not a lawyer and a lifelong Republican.

You know what else I am: SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW GATOR PRACTICES. So if I see a sign telling me not to swim, I don't swim. But I might wade. Because the sign didn't say anything about gators. About which I know little.


I was just saying to a friend, two years ago, I probably would have waded, too. I moved to Florida a year and a half ago, and now I look at that body of water and see all the indicia of alligators (except the warning sign, that you'd expect here), so I'd know to stay out. Two years ago I probably woul have had no idea. I'd have waded, or let my dog wade (if dogs were allowed). I wouldn't have thought twice seeing a kid wade. And a "steep dropoff" sign wouldn't have scared me because I'm a good swimmer - so I might even have taken a dip.

Now I know better. But that's only because I live in Florida and have gotten used to things here. Tourists? It seems profoundly stupid to have an inviting body of water and not give better warnings about why they should stay out of it.


That area in the picture doesn't even exist anymore.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 14:46     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this mindset that if something bad happens to you unexpectedly you feel entitled that someone should have predicted it and prevented it for you.


+1000. This is what's wrong with America. Should Disney have posted signs warning about alligators? Probably. But who is ultimately responsible for this tragedy? The parents who allowed their 2 y/o to wade/swim in 12 inches of water at 9:30 despite the "No swimming" signs. The average 2 y/o is about 2 feet & this child was in 1 foot of water at night. Of course something tragic could happen. Unfortunately, it did and the child paid the ultimate consequence. I don't understand how anyone could think Disney is responsible for this.[/quo

People like you scare the hell out of me. Heart of stone.


Seeing how newborns are born between 20-22", you are sorely mistaken on this matter. Try 34", but go on and pull false information out of your ass to try to backup your incredibly stupid comment.