Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

14:10 at 14 he could be placed on the offender registry, there is precedence for this. He could have indeed served time in a juvenile court and if it had been found (not saying this is fact) that he was habitually sexually assaulting his siblings and others past this "one offense" then they may have even tried to prosecute him as an adult. Which we will never know, because this was all swept under the rug.

What would I have liked done? Intensive therapy for him and intervention from the juvenile courts the minute this came to light. Also if he was returned to his parents custody as a minor I would have separated him from his siblings. As in his physical residence. As much as I love my two sons and would support them through absolutely everything, finding it in my heart to forgive them, this is exactly what I would have done, had one molested one or both of his little sisters. I would allow his sisters the dignity to chose to forgive him or not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think when you set rules like no opposite sex siblings alone, no hugging your opposite sibling you sort of force your children to sexualize their siblings. So nasty.

I cannot imagine if as a child I had to give my brother some lame side hug and was never able to hang out with him alone... because I might stir up something sexual in him.

Barf. Duggars can kiss my grits too.

Seriously. And the fact that these poor girls were dressing like little house on the prairie characters all to avoid stirring up those desires that "cannot be righteously fulfilled" and they were still being raped at home by their brother tells you how successful their parents' strategy was.

Please don't use the word "rape" when you mean something that isnt rape. If you did mean that, please provide a source.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

I am interested in knowing this too. My sense would be that while Josh might have only gotten counseling (not been charged criminally), he would NOT be allowed to live in the house where he would be able to molest the young children. But to be honest, if Josh was 15 as well and was still molesting his sisters, I think that starts to move to something that MIGHT be dealt with at least in a juvenile court setting.

Didn't CPS do an investigation at some point?

Anonymous wrote:I think when you set rules like no opposite sex siblings alone, no hugging your opposite sibling you sort of force your children to sexualize their siblings. So nasty.

I cannot imagine if as a child I had to give my brother some lame side hug and was never able to hang out with him alone... because I might stir up something sexual in him.

Barf. Duggars can kiss my grits too.

Seriously. And the fact that these poor girls were dressing like little house on the prairie characters all to avoid stirring up those desires that "cannot be righteously fulfilled" and they were still being raped at home by their brother tells you how successful their parents' strategy was.

I wonder how many of their rules (side hugs, etc) were manufactured after the molestations.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

I am interested in knowing this too. My sense would be that while Josh might have only gotten counseling (not been charged criminally), he would NOT be allowed to live in the house where he would be able to molest the young children. But to be honest, if Josh was 15 as well and was still molesting his sisters, I think that starts to move to something that MIGHT be dealt with at least in a juvenile court setting.

I think when you set rules like no opposite sex siblings alone, no hugging your opposite sibling you sort of force your children to sexualize their siblings. So nasty.

I cannot imagine if as a child I had to give my brother some lame side hug and was never able to hang out with him alone... because I might stir up something sexual in him.

Barf. Duggars can kiss my grits too.

Anonymous wrote:This is a textbook study in how the rape culture works, how entire communities conspire to abet and protect sexual predators while silencing and retraumatizing victims.

Josh Duggar did not make "mistakes." He sexually preyed on multiple girls while they slept. And then he got away with it, because virtually everyone else around him was invested in making sure that he would.

An entire community, that grew bigger year by year, rallied behind a sexual predator to protect him. And now they stand behind him still, talking about his repeated predation as "mistakes."

Sexual assault is not "a mistake."

But certainly that's the way it must be framed for parents, church leaders, police, members of the community, in-laws, a wife, television executives, and now fans to speak in grave tones about the redemptive forgiveness of god and to convince themselves that it was just a blip in an otherwise exemplary life—while diligently ignoring the profound trauma of Josh Duggar's victims and the secondary trauma caused by a lack of justice lingering under the heavy shadow of his carefully maintained public image as a model of virtue.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but what do you think would have happened to a 14 year old molester? It's not like he would get a jail sentence or get put on the sex offender registry. Realistically, what kind of sentence do you think he'd receive?

Will Josh being around the family, I am assuming he will move back to arkansas now that he has no reason to stay here hinder Jessa and Ben's adoption process? In the season finale she was talking about how they are taking the first steps towards adoption, will it not matter because he is not a registered sex offender? Which he should be. I have no idea about adoption processes, this is why I am asking.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents should be held responsible in a court of law for knowingly exposing their children to a child molester, and in fact encouraging their children to forgive the molester and be silent about the crimes.

If only not showing human decency were a crime.

Yes I agree. Human decency would have demanded that Jim Bob and Michele would protect their little girls. But they didn't. They protected their son and their crazy ass beliefs. They excused this by saying the victims --- CHILDREN -- forgave the child molester. CHILDREN are not of age to make that decision. So yes, I completely agree. Completely criminal how indecent the Duggar parents were.

Anonymous wrote:The parents should be held responsible in a court of law for knowingly exposing their children to a child molester, and in fact encouraging their children to forgive the molester and be silent about the crimes.

If only not showing human decency were a crime.

The parents should be held responsible in a court of law for knowingly exposing their children to a child molester, and in fact encouraging their children to forgive the molester and be silent about the crimes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am 14:10 and I would like to add that I am a devout catholic and middle of the road republican. This is not about religion or politics it is about human decency and how we choose the society we want to live in. I do not want to live in a society where sisters who are sexual assaulted by their brother have to continue living with him and worse live submissive to him. I do want to live in a society where all people have an equal opportunity to love and cannot wait for the day that the US wakes up and passes marriage equality for everyone. I also want to live in a society where I can choose not to have an abortion and my neighbor can choose to have one, because we all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - not just people who look and think like me.

So the Duggars can kiss my grits.

Devout? Kiss my grits, troll.

14:10 again, looking for a fight? Cradle catholic all sacraments including sacrament of matrimony. Confession weekly, mass every Sunday and HOD, old school Friday fast rules and lent restrictions. Weekly devotion, adoration and daily rosary. I even veil. Your turn sweetheart.

Most Hollywood families have horrific skeletons. Awful.

Sorry for the third post but 14:10 again. I am all fired up and after reading all these posts about excusing this vile excuse for a christian patriach (Talking about JimBob) just broke me and I have to get it all out.

Is Josh a victim? Does he deserve forgiveness? Yes and yes. He as all his siblings and now his own children are victims of being raised in a cult, however there comes a time where you become an adult and your actions become your responsibility not the responsibility of your parents. He chose to stand up at a podium with a straight face and say that the LGBT community was a danger to children when he himself is a proven danger to children. He chose to continue to say this even though his father sent him to a child pornographer for counseling, a state trooper who was definitely a danger to children. Sure, I forgive Josh, I take people at face value - he has apologized, I forgive him. Forgiveness is a fundamental trait of Christianity, so is compassion, empathy and loving thy neighbor. Josh has chosen as an adult to show none of these traits in his very public life and platform. That is not on his parents, that is not on Bill Gothard, that is not on society, that is on him.

There, I think I've gotten it all out of my system.