However, education practices are supposed to be tested--just like new drugs.

Every time anybody develops a new set of standards, or a new curriculum, or a new textbook, they are tested in pilot programs and test programs run out of universities? I didn't know that.

Anonymous wrote:Note to 12:44: When you are doing research, it pays to question your source. Did it occur to you that the Common Core website might be just a tad biased?

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Do you have any understanding of educational studies and how new materials are developed. You have pilot programs and test programs. These are usually run out of universities.

You don't think this is better than arbitrarily putting a huge program with major shifts into all schools?

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Who would volunteer their kids to be the guinea pigs? Would you? This would be a case of we want/need cell phones, but I don't want the cell towers in my backyard. Let me guess, they should be adopted in a low income SES school where the parents can't fight the school board, unlike the wealthier areas that would raise a stink.

And how long do we test the new standards for? And who would spend the money to develop a curriculum for such a small sample size?

Do you have any understanding of educational studies and how new materials are developed. You have pilot programs and test programs. These are usually run out of universities.

Do you have any understanding of educational studies and how new materials are developed. You have pilot programs and test programs. These are usually run out of universities.

Who would volunteer their kids to be the guinea pigs? Would you? This would be a case of we want/need cell phones, but I don't want the cell towers in my backyard. Let me guess, they should be adopted in a low income SES school where the parents can't fight the school board, unlike the wealthier areas that would raise a stink.

And how long do we test the new standards for? And who would spend the money to develop a curriculum for such a small sample size?

LOL, you set yourself up for a knockdown by not even bothering to look at even the most basic Common Core information.

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/frequently-asked-questions/

"Were teachers involved in the creation of the standards?
Yes. Teachers have been a critical voice in the development of the standards. The Common Core State Standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. Teachers were involved in the development process in four ways:
They served on the Work Groups and Feedback Groups for the ELA and math standards.
The National Education Association (NEA), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM), and National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE), among other organizations were instrumental in bringing together teachers to provide specific, constructive feedback on the standards
Teachers were members of teams states convened to provide regular feedback on drafts of the standards.
Teachers provided input on the Common Core State Standards during the two public comment periods."

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/development-process/

Development Process

The state-led effort to develop the Common Core State Standards was launched in 2009 by state leaders, including governors and state commissioners of education from 48 states, two territories and the District of Columbia, through their membership in the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). State school chiefs and governors recognized the value of consistent, real-world learning goals and launched this effort to ensure all students, regardless of where they live, are graduating high school prepared for college, career, and life.

The standards are informed by:

The best state standards already in existence
The experience of teachers, content experts, states, and leading thinkers
Feedback from the public

Development Criteria: http://www.corestandards.org/assets/Criteria.pdf

So, your "developed in isolation" and "no teachers were involved or consulted" is complete mythology

Anonymous wrote:Common Core standards: Not tested nor vetted anywhere for clarity, effectiveness and results. Obama and Duncan were told by experts like Diane Ravitch, whom they approached for her support and opinion, that they needed to TEST the standards in a school district or several before they rolled them out to a nation. They were in a hurry and refused; we are seeing the results of their haste now. A generation of kids who are guinea pigs.

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That is absolutely incorrect. Lots of teachers and educators had input. That you personally did not receive an engraved invitation is not relevant and does not change that there was a lot of input, vetting as well as a significant amount of adoption of previously implemented and vetted standards.

LOL! Prove it.

That is absolutely incorrect. Lots of teachers and educators had input. That you personally did not receive an engraved invitation is not relevant and does not change that there was a lot of input, vetting as well as a significant amount of adoption of previously implemented and vetted standards.

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As for the complaint that the standards never having been tried, tested or vetted, that is a flawed argument. Obama and Duncan were not the ones who developed Common Core - Common Core was developed independent of Federal Government by a multi-state consortium of educators. The Common Core standards were compiled from a number of existing state standards that in many places have been in place, implemented, tested, and vetted as successful for years. The few places that are struggling with Common Core are in many cases new to implementing any kind of robust standards, have made poor choices on curriculum, have stumbled on their own implementation and rollout, whereas many other areas are doing just fine with rolling out Common Core.

No. They were developed by committee and pretty much in isolation. Few classroom teachers had input.

That is absolutely incorrect. Lots of teachers and educators had input. That you personally did not receive an engraved invitation is not relevant and does not change that there was a lot of input, vetting as well as a significant amount of adoption of previously implemented and vetted standards.