Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 14:32     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
What actions do you have in mind?

The action I’m proposing is getting is giving the voters what they want, both now in government and in a new policy platform for the campaign trail. My proposed action is, try to win elections.

What are your proposed actions?
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 14:25     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are so many of us in this thread so mad about having to acknowledge errors or apologize to voters? We’re not trying to win a slap fight against Republicans to determine what’s fair. We’re trying to win back power by winning back voters.


When Trump voters acknowledge they fell for propaganda and lies, I’ll consider what Dems did wrong. Until then, I’ll actively working to save democracy. You know what brings clarity? Action, not thinking.


Saving Democracy and protecting our egos may not be compatible. You’re too busy saving democracy to consider what Democrats did to lose voter support? What? How is that helpful?

The only way to defeat Trumpism is by winning elections or staging insurrictions. And we’re supposed to be against those.


Please, it’s MAGA who has fragile egos. They’re the definition of fragile egos.

If you really want to sit and be analytical without doing anything, be my guest, if you think contemplation > action.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 14:20     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something funny about today’s Dems is their assumption that voters have no memories, don’t care about policies or performance, and can be won back at any time via “messaging.”


What’s even funnier is you acting as if this one single election was the obituary of the Democratic Party, instead of what it was: the latest cycle of tossing out incumbents that’s been going on since 2016. But keep telling yourself fairy stories if it makes you feel better.

Trump is all the evidence you need that 49.8% of voters care more about performing than performance.


The Democratic Party can stage a comeback, but only if we’re willing to expend a little effort. Telling ourselves we’re beating Drumpf by tweeting about egg prices is a failure path. Whoever takes the voters mist for granted is at most risk if losing them. Right now, we’re sill taking for granted the voters we’ve already lost!
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 14:16     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are so many of us in this thread so mad about having to acknowledge errors or apologize to voters? We’re not trying to win a slap fight against Republicans to determine what’s fair. We’re trying to win back power by winning back voters.


When Trump voters acknowledge they fell for propaganda and lies, I’ll consider what Dems did wrong. Until then, I’ll actively working to save democracy. You know what brings clarity? Action, not thinking.


Saving Democracy and protecting our egos may not be compatible. You’re too busy saving democracy to consider what Democrats did to lose voter support? What? How is that helpful?

The only way to defeat Trumpism is by winning elections or staging insurrictions. And we’re supposed to be against those.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 14:13     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Something funny about today’s Dems is their assumption that voters have no memories, don’t care about policies or performance, and can be won back at any time via “messaging.”


What’s even funnier is you acting as if this one single election was the obituary of the Democratic Party, instead of what it was: the latest cycle of tossing out incumbents that’s been going on since 2016. But keep telling yourself fairy stories if it makes you feel better.

Trump is all the evidence you need that 49.8% of voters care more about performing than performance.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 14:07     Subject: Re:What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mandate e-verify

Show you are serious about going after business that exploit illegal labor


It's gonna kill the Chamber of Commerce/Rotary Republicans who own small businesses in the rural, exurban, and vacation communities. They will never ever ever do it.


A group of eight Senators introduced legislation last week to permanently authorize E-Verify and require all employers to use it. The lead sponsor of the legislation is Senator Chuck Grassley; the bill’s co-sponsors include Senators Tuberville (R-Ala.), Lee (R-Utah), Cruz (R-Tex.), Britt (R-Ala.), Lankford (R-Okla.), Capito (R-W.V.), and Ernst (R-Iowa).

E-Verify is an internet-based system that verifies an employee’s name and Social Security number against government records. The E-Verify system, which is currently voluntary and free for all employers, was developed as a pilot program in 1996. The success of E-Verify in weeding out illegal employment has led to the dramatic growth in its use, quickly becoming a bedrock principle of immigration reform that FAIR has pushed for decades.

E-Verify has become the most efficient and effective way for employers to ensure they are not running afoul of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, also known as IRCA. That law, for the first time, made it unlawful “to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien.” Further, the statute (Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act) states that “it is unlawful for a person or other entity, after hiring an alien for employment…to continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the alien is (or has become) an unauthorized alien….”


No democrats. Where are they????


Please. It’s all for show. The felon swept e-verify under the rug his first term. Look at what that conservative rag, The Washington Times found in its research:

“Just five of the 565 companies in President Trump’s business empire are signed up to use E-Verify, the government’s best tool to weed illegal immigrants out of the workforce, according to a Washington Times analysis that suggests the president could personally be doing more on that front.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/6/donald-trump-companies-ignoring-e-verify-hiring-il/

GMAFB! Your DL hates eVerify!
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:53     Subject: Re:What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mandate e-verify

Show you are serious about going after business that exploit illegal labor


It's gonna kill the Chamber of Commerce/Rotary Republicans who own small businesses in the rural, exurban, and vacation communities. They will never ever ever do it.


A group of eight Senators introduced legislation last week to permanently authorize E-Verify and require all employers to use it. The lead sponsor of the legislation is Senator Chuck Grassley; the bill’s co-sponsors include Senators Tuberville (R-Ala.), Lee (R-Utah), Cruz (R-Tex.), Britt (R-Ala.), Lankford (R-Okla.), Capito (R-W.V.), and Ernst (R-Iowa).

E-Verify is an internet-based system that verifies an employee’s name and Social Security number against government records. The E-Verify system, which is currently voluntary and free for all employers, was developed as a pilot program in 1996. The success of E-Verify in weeding out illegal employment has led to the dramatic growth in its use, quickly becoming a bedrock principle of immigration reform that FAIR has pushed for decades.

E-Verify has become the most efficient and effective way for employers to ensure they are not running afoul of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, also known as IRCA. That law, for the first time, made it unlawful “to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien.” Further, the statute (Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act) states that “it is unlawful for a person or other entity, after hiring an alien for employment…to continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the alien is (or has become) an unauthorized alien….”


No democrats. Where are they????
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:50     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Why are so many of us in this thread so mad about having to acknowledge errors or apologize to voters? We’re not trying to win a slap fight against Republicans to determine what’s fair. We’re trying to win back power by winning back voters.


When Trump voters acknowledge they fell for propaganda and lies, I’ll consider what Dems did wrong. Until then, I’ll actively working to save democracy. You know what brings clarity? Action, not thinking.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:43     Subject: Re:What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Mandate e-verify

Show you are serious about going after business that exploit illegal labor


It's gonna kill the Chamber of Commerce/Rotary Republicans who own small businesses in the rural, exurban, and vacation communities. They will never ever ever do it.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:40     Subject: Re:What SHOULD Dems do?
Mandate e-verify

Show you are serious about going after business that exploit illegal labor
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:39     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something funny about today’s Dems is their assumption that voters have no memories, don’t care about policies or performance, and can be won back at any time via “messaging.”

Dems have now lost the working and middle classes. Instead of recognizing the severity of that error, Dems say, “In the midterms, our powerpoint slides should have a couple of bullet points about the working class and the middle class.”

It’s funny.





And how is all the MAGA yammering about the border helping the middle and working classes? Savings have been decimated. Layoffs are increasing. Farmers and manufacturers are losing markets?

So where is the improvement Trump promised?


We know the Democrats can’t (or won’t) deliver for the working and middle classes. Income inequality has increased under every Democratic administration in any of our lifetimes.

The problem is that those voters have had enough and have shifted away from our party. Those voters, rightly or wrongly, overwhelmingly hate open borders and want mass deportations. Republicans at least pay lip service to those desires. While we insist that people “stop talking about the border.” Voters notice the difference.

No-one is going to help the working and middle classes, of course, but they’d rather take a chance on the Republicans than stay the course with us.


You’re not answering the question. Trump is president and the GOP controls all three branches. Voters “took the chance” and where is the improvement?

How are trump’s actions, including his vaunted abductions of student visa holders helping working and middle classes.


It doesn’t matter what Trump does. He already won, now he’s in power, and this is his last term. We can’t deliver 2024 for Kamala. That ship has sailed. The question is not whether or not Trump can rapidly reduce egg prices. The question is, what can WE do or say in the next three years that will make voters prefer our candidate in 2028 to the Republican candidate. What we’ve been saying so far has backfired. Our approval rating have dropped farther and lower than Trump’s have. The question of this thread is, “what should we do differently?”
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:34     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
We have to remember that we are supplicants. We’re not a real aristocracy, we’re a class seeking the perquisites of power. We have to offer the voters what they want, so they’ll give us what we want (power).

It doesn’t matter how bad Trump is. The question is, what are we willing to do for the voters. Are we willing to close the borders? Do mass deportations? End expensive wars? Lay off bureaucrats? Cut costs? Reduce waste and fraud? Ban trans athletes? So far, our answer to all these things has been a resounding no. Our attitude is: “We shouldn’t have to change, stupid voters should have to change their stupid thinking that led them to vote for Trump.” We’re entitled to our attitude, but it may not lead us back into power.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:29     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something funny about today’s Dems is their assumption that voters have no memories, don’t care about policies or performance, and can be won back at any time via “messaging.”

Dems have now lost the working and middle classes. Instead of recognizing the severity of that error, Dems say, “In the midterms, our powerpoint slides should have a couple of bullet points about the working class and the middle class.”

It’s funny.





And how is all the MAGA yammering about the border helping the middle and working classes? Savings have been decimated. Layoffs are increasing. Farmers and manufacturers are losing markets?

So where is the improvement Trump promised?


We know the Democrats can’t (or won’t) deliver for the working and middle classes. Income inequality has increased under every Democratic administration in any of our lifetimes.

The problem is that those voters have had enough and have shifted away from our party. Those voters, rightly or wrongly, overwhelmingly hate open borders and want mass deportations. Republicans at least pay lip service to those desires. While we insist that people “stop talking about the border.” Voters notice the difference.

No-one is going to help the working and middle classes, of course, but they’d rather take a chance on the Republicans than stay the course with us.


You’re not answering the question. Trump is president and the GOP controls all three branches. Voters “took the chance” and where is the improvement?

How are trump’s actions, including his vaunted abductions of student visa holders helping working and middle classes.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:26     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something funny about today’s Dems is their assumption that voters have no memories, don’t care about policies or performance, and can be won back at any time via “messaging.”

Dems have now lost the working and middle classes. Instead of recognizing the severity of that error, Dems say, “In the midterms, our powerpoint slides should have a couple of bullet points about the working class and the middle class.”

It’s funny.





And how is all the MAGA yammering about the border helping the middle and working classes? Savings have been decimated. Layoffs are increasing. Farmers and manufacturers are losing markets?

So where is the improvement Trump promised?


We know the Democrats can’t (or won’t) deliver for the working and middle classes. Income inequality has increased under every Democratic administration in any of our lifetimes.

The problem is that those voters have had enough and have shifted away from our party. Those voters, rightly or wrongly, overwhelmingly hate open borders and want mass deportations. Republicans at least pay lip service to those desires. While we insist that people “stop talking about the border.” Voters notice the difference.

No-one is going to help the working and middle classes, of course, but they’d rather take a chance on the Republicans than stay the course with us.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2025 13:19     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Why are so many of us in this thread so mad about having to acknowledge errors or apologize to voters? We’re not trying to win a slap fight against Republicans to determine what’s fair. We’re trying to win back power by winning back voters.