Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:48
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Stop trolling J1/J2 guy!
Feds are hourly workers and it’s different than private sector salaried workers. We also aren’t paid like Citigroup employees.
What area of Citi big guy? You must have been a cost center, which is why they tracked hours, get it? A cost center. Not a profit center. There were plenty of other areas that could hire if the MDs were bringing in the business.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:45
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Stop trolling J1/J2 guy!
Feds are hourly workers and it’s different than private sector salaried workers. We also aren’t paid like Citigroup employees.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:44
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Oh look, I used to work for an investment bank too so I'll chime in. In the "real world", you get market based bonuses, RSUs, etc to compensate you for that private sector work. In the Federal government, you're lucky if you get a cost of living adjustment that almost keeps up with inflation. These two are not the same and neither is your humble brag from a loser experience.
Thats executives. At my place at least 50 percent of company in cubes or admin just worked those hours and got squat.
Wow! What terrible career choices you made indeed! You should have made different ones.
For me I did my time and did get the corner office by 45. However, the fact remains. only 10 percent of company were in senior roles. 90 percent of company did their work for little pay and long hours. And where I got my break was not at my prior company. I did work.
If people were called back to work and worked 50 hours a week. I mean like a dog, then they let Dawins Law take effect there be no need this drama. By 2026 only Rock Stars will be left
Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:39
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Oh look, I used to work for an investment bank too so I'll chime in. In the "real world", you get market based bonuses, RSUs, etc to compensate you for that private sector work. In the Federal government, you're lucky if you get a cost of living adjustment that almost keeps up with inflation. These two are not the same and neither is your humble brag from a loser experience.
Thats executives. At my place at least 50 percent of company in cubes or admin just worked those hours and got squat.
Wow! What terrible career choices you made indeed! You should have made different ones.
Yeah, the PP who worked at Citi more or less admitted they were a low level peon -- probably the Fed equivalent of an administrative assistant (which is unfair to admin assistants). Or maybe a big 4 accountant that couldn't cut it? Either way, I'm not surprised of their lack of benefits or bonuses. PP was a retail banker not a real banker.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:15
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Oh look, I used to work for an investment bank too so I'll chime in. In the "real world", you get market based bonuses, RSUs, etc to compensate you for that private sector work. In the Federal government, you're lucky if you get a cost of living adjustment that almost keeps up with inflation. These two are not the same and neither is your humble brag from a loser experience.
Thats executives. At my place at least 50 percent of company in cubes or admin just worked those hours and got squat.
Wow! What terrible career choices you made indeed! You should have made different ones.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:14
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Oh look, I used to work for an investment bank too so I'll chime in. In the "real world", you get market based bonuses, RSUs, etc to compensate you for that private sector work. In the Federal government, you're lucky if you get a cost of living adjustment that almost keeps up with inflation. These two are not the same and neither is your humble brag from a loser experience.
Exactly this. We took smaller financial compensation packages to work for the government. That was the tradeoff for work-life balance. Despite that, when was remote, I was happy to do extra after hours meetings and things because I had the flexibility.
I also don't look to the "slave away for your corporate master"' as the bar to aspire to. It should be more places recognizing their workers have lives outside of work, not the other way around.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:11
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Oh look, I used to work for an investment bank too so I'll chime in. In the "real world", you get market based bonuses, RSUs, etc to compensate you for that private sector work. In the Federal government, you're lucky if you get a cost of living adjustment that almost keeps up with inflation. These two are not the same and neither is your humble brag from a loser experience.
Thats executives. At my place at least 50 percent of company in cubes or admin just worked those hours and got squat.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 12:06
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Gotta do what ya gotta do.
We were spoiled with remote jobs.
But moms have been doing this for decades before.
Put your big girl pants on and learn to juggle a job and kids like the rest of us.
Your kids will get older and it gets easier. They will get more self sufficient.
As a 54-year-old working mom, I disagree with the above. When my kids were young, I had to work in the office in a job (lawyer) that required us to be in the office. But I don't wish that on the younger generation, just because I did it. Don't we want a system/society that's good for the children? I believe all children benefit from having more parents working from home -- less traffic on the roads, more adults in the neighborhood, and perhaps more adults available to volunteer at the schools. (And ideally some of the WAH parents could occasionally do a little back-up for those parents whose jobs (such as health care) do not allow remote work.)
I do think that it's essential to create a group of families that can do back-up for each other as needed. If you're a family with two working parents, and have no family in the area, I think that such a support network is essential.
I wish we
Anonymous
02/27/2025 11:52
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Have you ever worked as a Fed? I'm guessing not. I've worked as a Fed and am now in the private sector. I worked a lot as a Fed...sometimes nights and weekends. Yes, I was eligible for comp time, though it wasn't always approved.
Frankly, I have a lot more flexibility in the private sector than I ever did in government, because the rest of the world doesn't scrutinize my every move assuming that I'm somehow gaming the system when in fact I was just trying to serve my country. While I think my corporate job is useful, it's far less impactful than what I did in the government. You are benefiting from some of the work I did in the government pretty much everyday. But now everyone thinks I have a useful job, and I earn 10x what I used to. Because Americans don't understand how good we have had it for the past 70 years.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 11:45
Subject: Re:Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Everybody complaining about sh*tty inflexible jobs situations in the private sector should have made better choices, duh. And also care less about $$$.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 11:22
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:BYW nurses dont work 12 hours shifts, that is what they are scheduled to work.
My daughter is a nurse. She is required to be there 15 minutes before clock in. She then does the turnover the prior shift and hand over of patents, then she works 12-13 hours and then does her hand off, then "charting.
She had a 45 minute drive to work, then 15 minute on shuttle buss over from employee lot.
She spends two hours commuting and at work 14-15 hours a day. She lives at home as just graduated. Some back to back shifts she only home 6-7 hours before returning.
I seen her work 40-45 hours in three days. It is not not a cushy three day work week. She is wiped out for days afterward.
Some nurses pick up shifts or do side work as pay low. Can you do four 15 hour shifts a week.
They do three their job, then a fourth one on side as part time work.
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sounds like your daughter has a crummy job.
my daughter is also a nurse. she makes plenty of money, so much in fact that she only works once a week right now, and that pays about the same as what a teacher makes full time.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 11:20
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:As a single, full time working parent I paid for full time daycare. Ds was only in activities I could get him to on my own. That meant one per season, not half of what was going. It also meant only having one child at the time.
Saturday was ds's day. Sunday was laundry and meal prep.
SIL and I traded child care on weekends so we each had time to ourselves.
I don't have much sympathy for RTO. It has to be figured out.
Are you just working 40 hours a week? Some jobs are global with dealing with clients and co-workers all over the world, so you can have a 6 AM meeting or a 9-11 PM meeting so on those days you just flex. Not everyone works with their supervisors or co-workers in the same office so its silly to commute an hour to sit alone doing phone calls all day when you can spend that extra two hours working.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 11:18
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.
Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.
I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).
I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.
These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.
#1 and 2 (calling in from midmorning kids activities) I wouldn't do, I don't let my kids do summer swim or half day camps because they're not compatible with two working parents. I'm not a GS-15 either, not all feds make the MAX salary!
But the third one...that's a 40 hour week, for someone in an HQ desk job, not covering a public station with specific open hours. Why does that bother you? Lots of nurses work three 12-hour shifts, this is that plus a half day.
We've been on a few summer swim teams and all have evening swim hours (as in starting at 6 PM or later).
Anonymous
02/27/2025 11:16
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Oh look, I used to work for an investment bank too so I'll chime in. In the "real world", you get market based bonuses, RSUs, etc to compensate you for that private sector work. In the Federal government, you're lucky if you get a cost of living adjustment that almost keeps up with inflation. These two are not the same and neither is your humble brag from a loser experience.
Kinda, where my spouse works they get a good contract for 4 years and then the RSU's flucuate every year but its pretty minimal compared to the initial 4 years. Plus, you have to pay taxes on it as soon as it vests. There are no bonuses.
You either get flexibility with WFH or you get in office with office hours. Not both.
Anonymous
02/27/2025 10:57
Subject: Parents of small children - how are you managing RTO?
Anonymous wrote:In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.
If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.
Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.
Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm
And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.
In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.
When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?
Oh look, I used to work for an investment bank too so I'll chime in. In the "real world", you get market based bonuses, RSUs, etc to compensate you for that private sector work. In the Federal government, you're lucky if you get a cost of living adjustment that almost keeps up with inflation. These two are not the same and neither is your humble brag from a loser experience.