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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

I still don't understand...Asians were not under-represented as compared to the general population at Harvard, so how are "they" being discriminated against? If Asians make up 12% of the population and have roughly 12% of the seats, then what is the complaint? I mean, Harvard turns away 98% of their applicants, and it is possible that the number of Asian rejections is higher because there may be more Asian applicants, but I still feel like this was not the right decision.

The Asian community won’t be happy until 100% of Asians who apply are accepted into Harvard. They feel they deserve it when other kids do not. They are arguing that their kids are always superior to others. Anyone else admitted who isn’t Asian is not as bright and only there due to AA or legacy. It’s been well explain on this thread.

No. What has been explained in this thread is that Asian Americans want to be evaluated on their personal merits, and not based on their race. Harvard is free and welcome to prefer whatever they want over academics and free to reject anyone they seem to be gunners with no personality. They can give bonus points for socioeconomic status or hardships applicants had to overcome. What they can't do and shouldn't do is reject someone based on race.

Please actually explain why this is a problem. For those harping on how schools will be overrun with rat racers who have no personality and own interests/brain, you are basically saying you don't think Asians are capable of being well rounded human beings. That is not only racist but goes against the findings in the Harvard case, which was that the Asian applicants scored higher across all categories, including extracurriculars and personality. The admissions office simply overrode the true personality scores by people who actually met the applicants and made up their own.

Are you fresh off the boat? Newsflash! This is America - no one gets evaluated based solely on their merits. It has never been that way and it will never be that way.

I would hate to be an Asian student on campus in the fall - they will likely be the most hated group on the quad.

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

I still don't understand...Asians were not under-represented as compared to the general population at Harvard, so how are "they" being discriminated against? If Asians make up 12% of the population and have roughly 12% of the seats, then what is the complaint? I mean, Harvard turns away 98% of their applicants, and it is possible that the number of Asian rejections is higher because there may be more Asian applicants, but I still feel like this was not the right decision.

The Asian community won’t be happy until 100% of Asians who apply are accepted into Harvard. They feel they deserve it when other kids do not. They are arguing that their kids are always superior to others. Anyone else admitted who isn’t Asian is not as bright and only there due to AA or legacy. It’s been well explain on this thread.

No. What has been explained in this thread is that Asian Americans want to be evaluated on their personal merits, and not based on their race. Harvard is free and welcome to prefer whatever they want over academics and free to reject anyone they seem to be gunners with no personality. They can give bonus points for socioeconomic status or hardships applicants had to overcome. What they can't do and shouldn't do is reject someone based on race.

Please actually explain why this is a problem. For those harping on how schools will be overrun with rat racers who have no personality and own interests/brain, you are basically saying you don't think Asians are capable of being well rounded human beings. That is not only racist but goes against the findings in the Harvard case, which was that the Asian applicants scored higher across all categories, including extracurriculars and personality. The admissions office simply overrode the true personality scores by people who actually met the applicants and made up their own.

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Anonymous wrote:I fell bad for the cool Asians with engaging personalities who aren’t math and science nerds.

Is it a crime to be math and science enthusiasts?

Clownish response. You wouldn’t last a semester in any field requiring logic or comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:I frankly think this is better for under represented minorities. You spend your whole life trying to prove you were not an affirmative action and really earned your spot.

In my workplace, the people who are incompetent are people of color, however not every person of color is incompetent, if that makes sense. It does make me assume many of these people are only there for "diversity" purposes.

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

DP Why is it wrong? Harvard is picking between applicants with extremely little difference in test scores, gpa, etc. Asians are at 30% of the class size and only 6% in the general population of the US. Harvard as a private institution should be free to select its class without government mandates.

Actually, that's not the case at all and that's why this decision happened. Harvard and other colleges were setting much higher standards for Asians than non-Asians, including white candidates. Do you know how messed up that is? As an Asian person with kids who are bright but not Ivy level, I worried that being Asian was going to hurt them when applying to colleges a few years from now. That's wrong. I'm not a tiger mom nor are my kids being tutored. They're A & B student-athletes and aren't taking 4 AP classes every semester. They should be held to the same standards as everyone else.

It's not just that.

The Harvard admissions office systematically penalized Asian candidates on personality. Asian candidates were rated the worst on personality across every decile. This is despite the alumni interviewers scoring Asians similarly to whites on personality and better on average than Latinos and blacks.

I know many Asians that are really worried about this ruling. Everyone wants to consider Asian Americans as the "model minority" which my Asian friends hate. There are a lot of poor Asians in our country who don't come from well to do families that can afford tutoring or live in areas with terrible schools. A lot of schools in urban and poor areas don't offer AP courses which help distinguish a student's record and give them extra points. They will be penalized with the other poor students and now they can't even use race as a distinguishing factor.

I keep asking - what is merit if not all high schools offer the same education.

I don't understand. How were they ever able to use race as a helpful distinguishing factor if they are Asian? Now they actually have a chance to be recognized as facing unique hardships instead of being disqualified for simply being Asian and having to compete only with other Asians.

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

I still don't understand...Asians were not under-represented as compared to the general population at Harvard, so how are "they" being discriminated against? If Asians make up 12% of the population and have roughly 12% of the seats, then what is the complaint? I mean, Harvard turns away 98% of their applicants, and it is possible that the number of Asian rejections is higher because there may be more Asian applicants, but I still feel like this was not the right decision.

The Asian community won’t be happy until 100% of Asians who apply are accepted into Harvard. They feel they deserve it when other kids do not. They are arguing that their kids are always superior to others. Anyone else admitted who isn’t Asian is not as bright and only there due to AA or legacy. It’s been well explain on this thread.

Are you even listening to yourself and not embarrassed by what you're saying? The Asian community is NOT a monolith. I repeat. We are not all tiger moms and we're not all rich nor are we all great in math. My kids don't have straight As. They play sports, not chess. We wouldn't even think of applying to Harvard. We'd be happy if they get into UMCP. What the hell is wrong with you? What we don't want however, is for people to discriminate against my kids and make it more difficult for them to get into schools more than non-Asian kids because of some stereotype or racial bias that you hold against us. Got it? Is that too much to ask?

The whole premise of the argument is that Asian kids are being rejected from Harvard for being Asian because lesser qualified kids are being accepted who aren’t Asian. But statistically Asians are over represented, as pointed out a couple of pages back. Are you even listening?!

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It seems that "statistically," Asians achieve at a higher rate than others. Does this mean that they can be discriminated against?

DP. No but it is interesting to contemplate what the tipping point would be if the most selective colleges admit an unlimited number of Asian that far outstrips their percentage of the population. Wealthy whites may start feeling that they are being discriminated against--not by "undeserving" Blacks and Hispanics but by Asians.

Jewish folks and Asian folks are over represented. But also value studying and education. Hopefully ethical as well.

Others don’t? So these two groups are the only smart and studious kids?

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Anonymous wrote:I fell bad for the cool Asians with engaging personalities who aren’t math and science nerds.

Is it a crime to be math and science enthusiasts?

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Anonymous wrote:All you arguing that Asians are overrepresented are still looking at everything through racial lens. I know it is so ingrained in some of you but SCOTUS just ruled this line of thinking unconstitutional. So get over it. We are now looking at individuals, not races.

Again, I don’t think any race cornered the market on exceptionalism. The other individual accepted were better candidates than the students rejected.

And they very well may have been better candidates. Who knows. We won't know because Asians were held to a different standard. What is not right is evaluating a specific racial group to a higher standard to make it more difficult for them to get accepted to a university.

This case ended AA. That means under-represented minorities won’t get preferential status based on race.

They'll now have to compete for spots based on their hard work and merit. Everyone will. However, people on the far left feel that under-represented minorities aren't capable of doing that.

No people on the far left have memories or know history when Black children were not allowed in white universities, no matter how smart they were. The far left sees how our law enforcement treats Black people so differently than white citizens. The far left saw citizens protesting in Charlottesville about the superiority of the white race.

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Ok, then avoid colleges with lots of Asians for all the faults you've imagined them to have. Be my guest. I don't want to go to college with people who assign racial stereotypes to a large groups of people instead of seeing them as individuals, so I guess we can agree that we shouldn't be in the same college together.

You keep saying “racial stereotypes”.

This is literally every Asian family I know and I know quite a few. This is also what other people tell me who know other Asian families.

They made movies about this, wrote books about it. This is reality.

I will add on top of it that Indians don’t assimilate into American culture. I’m not talking about 1st generation Indians, but 2nd, 3rd and so on.

They marry primarily Indians, hangout only with other Indians, bring Bollywood movies to American theaters, they even bought an Oscar for themselves this year for a movie that no American watched.

So let me ask you this. Are you here just to use American education system for your personal gain?

How do you contribute to the American society?

How do your contribute to making American society just and diverse? Or is this all just about you making riches?

this is all true, they are enclaves of their culture and system within the U.S. plus remit billions back to India or pakistan annually.
Just like Central American economic migrants do.

Many immigrants are here to keep allegiance to their homeland, make money, send money home, pull in more relatives especially at old age.

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

I still don't understand...Asians were not under-represented as compared to the general population at Harvard, so how are "they" being discriminated against? If Asians make up 12% of the population and have roughly 12% of the seats, then what is the complaint? I mean, Harvard turns away 98% of their applicants, and it is possible that the number of Asian rejections is higher because there may be more Asian applicants, but I still feel like this was not the right decision.

The Asian community won’t be happy until 100% of Asians who apply are accepted into Harvard. They feel they deserve it when other kids do not. They are arguing that their kids are always superior to others. Anyone else admitted who isn’t Asian is not as bright and only there due to AA or legacy. It’s been well explain on this thread.

Are you even listening to yourself and not embarrassed by what you're saying? The Asian community is NOT a monolith. I repeat. We are not all tiger moms and we're not all rich nor are we all great in math. My kids don't have straight As. They play sports, not chess. We wouldn't even think of applying to Harvard. We'd be happy if they get into UMCP. What the hell is wrong with you? What we don't want however, is for people to discriminate against my kids and make it more difficult for them to get into schools more than non-Asian kids because of some stereotype or racial bias that you hold against us. Got it? Is that too much to ask?

The whole premise of the argument is that Asian kids are being rejected from Harvard for being Asian because lesser qualified kids are being accepted who aren’t Asian. But statistically Asians are over represented, as pointed out a couple of pages back. Are you even listening?!

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It seems that "statistically," Asians achieve at a higher rate than others. Does this mean that they can be discriminated against?

DP. No but it is interesting to contemplate what the tipping point would be if the most selective colleges admit an unlimited number of Asian that far outstrips their percentage of the population. Wealthy whites may start feeling that they are being discriminated against--not by "undeserving" Blacks and Hispanics but by Asians.

Jewish folks and Asian folks are over represented. But also value studying and education. Hopefully ethical as well.

Others don’t? So these two groups are the only smart and studious kids?

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

I still don't understand...Asians were not under-represented as compared to the general population at Harvard, so how are "they" being discriminated against? If Asians make up 12% of the population and have roughly 12% of the seats, then what is the complaint? I mean, Harvard turns away 98% of their applicants, and it is possible that the number of Asian rejections is higher because there may be more Asian applicants, but I still feel like this was not the right decision.

The Asian community won’t be happy until 100% of Asians who apply are accepted into Harvard. They feel they deserve it when other kids do not. They are arguing that their kids are always superior to others. Anyone else admitted who isn’t Asian is not as bright and only there due to AA or legacy. It’s been well explain on this thread.

Are you even listening to yourself and not embarrassed by what you're saying? The Asian community is NOT a monolith. I repeat. We are not all tiger moms and we're not all rich nor are we all great in math. My kids don't have straight As. They play sports, not chess. We wouldn't even think of applying to Harvard. We'd be happy if they get into UMCP. What the hell is wrong with you? What we don't want however, is for people to discriminate against my kids and make it more difficult for them to get into schools more than non-Asian kids because of some stereotype or racial bias that you hold against us. Got it? Is that too much to ask?

The whole premise of the argument is that Asian kids are being rejected from Harvard for being Asian because lesser qualified kids are being accepted who aren’t Asian. But statistically Asians are over represented, as pointed out a couple of pages back. Are you even listening?!

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It seems that "statistically," Asians achieve at a higher rate than others. Does this mean that they can be discriminated against?

No but why do you think the other kids accepted aren’t worthy and those spots should go to only Asian kids? I don’t think any race has cornered the market on exceptionalism. Seems Asians do though.

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This is America. You get over it.

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

I still don't understand...Asians were not under-represented as compared to the general population at Harvard, so how are "they" being discriminated against? If Asians make up 12% of the population and have roughly 12% of the seats, then what is the complaint? I mean, Harvard turns away 98% of their applicants, and it is possible that the number of Asian rejections is higher because there may be more Asian applicants, but I still feel like this was not the right decision.

The Asian community won’t be happy until 100% of Asians who apply are accepted into Harvard. They feel they deserve it when other kids do not. They are arguing that their kids are always superior to others. Anyone else admitted who isn’t Asian is not as bright and only there due to AA or legacy. It’s been well explain on this thread.

Are you even listening to yourself and not embarrassed by what you're saying? The Asian community is NOT a monolith. I repeat. We are not all tiger moms and we're not all rich nor are we all great in math. My kids don't have straight As. They play sports, not chess. We wouldn't even think of applying to Harvard. We'd be happy if they get into UMCP. What the hell is wrong with you? What we don't want however, is for people to discriminate against my kids and make it more difficult for them to get into schools more than non-Asian kids because of some stereotype or racial bias that you hold against us. Got it? Is that too much to ask?

The whole premise of the argument is that Asian kids are being rejected from Harvard for being Asian because lesser qualified kids are being accepted who aren’t Asian. But statistically Asians are over represented, as pointed out a couple of pages back. Are you even listening?!

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It seems that "statistically," Asians achieve at a higher rate than others. Does this mean that they can be discriminated against?

DP. No but it is interesting to contemplate what the tipping point would be if the most selective colleges admit an unlimited number of Asian that far outstrips their percentage of the population. Wealthy whites may start feeling that they are being discriminated against--not by "undeserving" Blacks and Hispanics but by Asians.

Jewish folks and Asian folks are over represented. But also value studying and education. Hopefully ethical as well.