Does it matter? 08 or 07? Congrats to whichever player either way; it just sounds like some hair splitting.

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

It appears that Spirit has two 07's playing up on 06 and one 07 playing up on 05s. The question is, will they be loyalists as is eluded to in the PP.

I thought they had an 08 playing with their 06s? All their playups are 07?

I was just going on the game report. Perhaps that is in error?

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

It appears that Spirit has two 07's playing up on 06 and one 07 playing up on 05s. The question is, will they be loyalists as is eluded to in the PP.

I thought they had an 08 playing with their 06s? All their playups are 07?

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

It appears that Spirit has two 07's playing up on 06 and one 07 playing up on 05s. The question is, will they be loyalists as is eluded to in the PP.

At least one will likely stay. Not sure they want to go back to FCV. I would guess they keep all of their DDs at WS.

Does FCV even have a history of taking kids back if they have left?

Has any former player ever wanted to come back to FCV?

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

It appears that Spirit has two 07's playing up on 06 and one 07 playing up on 05s. The question is, will they be loyalists as is eluded to in the PP.

At least one will likely stay. Not sure they want to go back to FCV. I would guess they keep all of their DDs at WS.

Does FCV even have a history of taking kids back if they have left?

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Anonymous wrote:What league is McLean's top 07 team playing in this season?

For the adults on the board, NCSL Top Division (or Division T)

NCSL doesn't put the girls into seeded divisions until the Spring of U12, so right now there is no "Top Division."

That was pulled directly from NCSL's website. So maybe now they do?

No. Notice how they use 1, 2, 3, 4 for the U13s and letters for the U12s? No order for the letters.

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

It appears that Spirit has two 07's playing up on 06 and one 07 playing up on 05s. The question is, will they be loyalists as is eluded to in the PP.

At least one will likely stay. Not sure they want to go back to FCV. I would guess they keep all of their DDs at WS.

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Anonymous wrote:What league is McLean's top 07 team playing in this season?

For the adults on the board, NCSL Top Division (or Division T)

NCSL doesn't put the girls into seeded divisions until the Spring of U12, so right now there is no "Top Division."

That was pulled directly from NCSL's website. So maybe now they do?

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

It appears that Spirit has two 07's playing up on 06 and one 07 playing up on 05s. The question is, will they be loyalists as is eluded to in the PP.

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

There you go. You have your 4 ringers as a foundation. Now simply following the FCV 06 DA team size, you just need 14 more players to field a strong DA team next year.

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I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

To be fair, shouldn't FCV 07 at least start making it to the finals games in recent tournaments they played in before you start calling them #1? Let's keep it real.

The bulk of the FCV 07 DA team will likely come from Loudoun. They should probably reach out to the 07s that are currently playing for Spirit and Arlington but I doubt they will move.

Depends on which one you mean - Spirit or Arlington. Not saying that either will or either won't, but the two clubs are in entirely different situations, so I don't think lumping them together makes any sense.

I am not sure players currently on the DAs teams will help FCV 07. The youngest group at DA is 06, so any 07s are current playups and likely fairly committed to the program. Playups tend to be loyalists.

There are no 07 play ups on the FCV 06 DA roster. There are players from the 07 player pool that have the "DP/PT" tag and have attended DA trainings, but none have logged any playing time. Ironically 2 of those 4 are actually 08s. Following the argument above, then at least these 4 stay put and form the foundation of the 07 DA next year.

Anonymous wrote:You can bet these ECNL teams will try to lock up their 07s early. They know they have the best players for this age group and what is at stake.

How can you lock up someone who doesn't want to stay?

But to the larger point I am sure they will certainly pressure their top players to commit soon than later. They would likely rather know what holes, if any, they need to fill.

I predict that in a few years US Soccer begins to push for a calendar year season which would mean late fall tryouts as opposed to spring tryouts. The time frames that ECNL and DA are having their ID sessions are making the spring season essentially a lame duck season as is. Top players have already been forced to make their decision as early as late February and early March. This can have a pretty detrimental effect on teams during the spring season. Kids that are moving to a different club have a rough go of it, kids at a club and didn't get promoted to the next level certainly hold a grudge during the season and begin looking elsewhere.

The crazy season is already pretty bad but turning a one month crazy season into a protracted 3-4 month ordeal is awful.

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Anonymous wrote:What league is McLean's top 07 team playing in this season?

For the adults on the board, NCSL Top Division (or Division T)

NCSL doesn't put the girls into seeded divisions until the Spring of U12, so right now there is no "Top Division."

You can bet these ECNL teams will try to lock up their 07s early. They know they have the best players for this age group and what is at stake.

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Anonymous wrote:We will take a look at FCV too. They clearly have a strong DA program. We are going to look at all of the DA and ECNL teams. So what is keeping FCV 07 from being clear #1? Someone mentioned depth, any thoughts are appreciated.

I'm not sure they aren't #1. I actually think they are, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Arlington and to Loudoun to see how they match up with clubs and teams I know. I have no doubt they are stronger than McLean.

Loudoun dominates this age group and I agree with PPs that they have all the depth. For example, their 2nd Team is better then Arlington's 1st team and has shown it can beat McLean's 1st team as well.

Loudoun and FCV seem to be the big GDA/ECNL tug-of-war, not so much these other GDA or ECNL clubs.

Arlington might enter the equation if it can attract all of McLean's top 5, but below that McLean doesn't have the depth to make Arlington a strong contender. If Arlington only attracts McLean's reserve (or 2nd team players), then ECNL inside the beltway remains strong enough for yet another year and Arlington will be a very easy win for FCV. If the key players at Loudoun band together and stay ECNL along with McLean, then Loudoun and McLean will get to enjoy good local competition at least twice a year.

McLean 06 is getting crushed in ECNL play this season, worst team in the MA by far - so perhaps ASA can pick up 07s for DA next year if those parents do not see ECNL going well.

Or perhaps next year McLean 07 ECNL will pick up a couple of players from Arlington Red? Sounds like Arlington is counting on picking up a team from McLean. We will see if that really happens.