Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

Um yeah, the reason VYS didn't enter the younger kids into the tournament is because unlike travel, VYS house didn't change the age mandate. (This was decision during the Gunney era.) Many house kids at the younger age groups played at a lower level without goalies and refs. Hence they didn't get the experience they needed to compete against the other clubs. Sending a house kid that played with pug goals to suddenly play with keepers isn't a good move. They'd be sent to get slaughtered. How about you buy a clue before you spout out garbage.

Umm, other clubs at U8 kinda play with the just bigger than pug goals and no goalies. For the traditional travel ages, sure, but worrying about being "slaughtered" at a rec tournament is poor reason to not go.

Since rec kids do not have player cards for the tournament and clubs usually have a bit of a tryout process for this type of team. It is easy enough to have tryouts based on the birth year mandate in order to form teams.

You are not getting the point. Some players at U8 would have to play at a U9 level. My guess is that most players that are VYS U8 all-stars have to play at the U9 level (where they would be lost).
If you get beat 10-0 in every game, is that fun? Can you develop in a situation like that?
Try-outs? When did we start talking about try-outs? These are all-star teams selected on how well a player did during the house season.

Yeah, you're right. We shouldn't even try to compete. Let's just stay in our nice little comfort bubble.

Compete when we are prepared vs when we are not is different.
In this case we wouldn't be prepared.

Oh Jesus Christ, how competitive do you think the tournament is? It is a good time for the kids and a reward for playing hard in their rec season. Its not Jeff Cup for Christ sake. These are nothing more than cop out excuses.

"Wouldn't be competitive in a recreational all star tournament", HA!

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

Um yeah, the reason VYS didn't enter the younger kids into the tournament is because unlike travel, VYS house didn't change the age mandate. (This was decision during the Gunney era.) Many house kids at the younger age groups played at a lower level without goalies and refs. Hence they didn't get the experience they needed to compete against the other clubs. Sending a house kid that played with pug goals to suddenly play with keepers isn't a good move. They'd be sent to get slaughtered. How about you buy a clue before you spout out garbage.

Umm, other clubs at U8 kinda play with the just bigger than pug goals and no goalies. For the traditional travel ages, sure, but worrying about being "slaughtered" at a rec tournament is poor reason to not go.

Since rec kids do not have player cards for the tournament and clubs usually have a bit of a tryout process for this type of team. It is easy enough to have tryouts based on the birth year mandate in order to form teams.

You are not getting the point. Some players at U8 would have to play at a U9 level. My guess is that most players that are VYS U8 all-stars have to play at the U9 level (where they would be lost).
If you get beat 10-0 in every game, is that fun? Can you develop in a situation like that?
Try-outs? When did we start talking about try-outs? These are all-star teams selected on how well a player did during the house season.

Yeah, you're right. We shouldn't even try to compete. Let's just stay in our nice little comfort bubble.

Compete when we are prepared vs when we are not is different.
In this case we wouldn't be prepared.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

Um yeah, the reason VYS didn't enter the younger kids into the tournament is because unlike travel, VYS house didn't change the age mandate. (This was decision during the Gunney era.) Many house kids at the younger age groups played at a lower level without goalies and refs. Hence they didn't get the experience they needed to compete against the other clubs. Sending a house kid that played with pug goals to suddenly play with keepers isn't a good move. They'd be sent to get slaughtered. How about you buy a clue before you spout out garbage.

Umm, other clubs at U8 kinda play with the just bigger than pug goals and no goalies. For the traditional travel ages, sure, but worrying about being "slaughtered" at a rec tournament is poor reason to not go.

Since rec kids do not have player cards for the tournament and clubs usually have a bit of a tryout process for this type of team. It is easy enough to have tryouts based on the birth year mandate in order to form teams.

You are not getting the point. Some players at U8 would have to play at a U9 level. My guess is that most players that are VYS U8 all-stars have to play at the U9 level (where they would be lost).
If you get beat 10-0 in every game, is that fun? Can you develop in a situation like that?
Try-outs? When did we start talking about try-outs? These are all-star teams selected on how well a player did during the house season.

Yeah, you're right. We shouldn't even try to compete. Let's just stay in our nice little comfort bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

Um yeah, the reason VYS didn't enter the younger kids into the tournament is because unlike travel, VYS house didn't change the age mandate. (This was decision during the Gunney era.) Many house kids at the younger age groups played at a lower level without goalies and refs. Hence they didn't get the experience they needed to compete against the other clubs. Sending a house kid that played with pug goals to suddenly play with keepers isn't a good move. They'd be sent to get slaughtered. How about you buy a clue before you spout out garbage.

Umm, other clubs at U8 kinda play with the just bigger than pug goals and no goalies. For the traditional travel ages, sure, but worrying about being "slaughtered" at a rec tournament is poor reason to not go.

Since rec kids do not have player cards for the tournament and clubs usually have a bit of a tryout process for this type of team. It is easy enough to have tryouts based on the birth year mandate in order to form teams.

You are not getting the point. Some players at U8 would have to play at a U9 level. My guess is that most players that are VYS U8 all-stars have to play at the U9 level (where they would be lost).
If you get beat 10-0 in every game, is that fun? Can you develop in a situation like that?
Try-outs? When did we start talking about try-outs? These are all-star teams selected on how well a player did during the house season.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

Um yeah, the reason VYS didn't enter the younger kids into the tournament is because unlike travel, VYS house didn't change the age mandate. (This was decision during the Gunney era.) Many house kids at the younger age groups played at a lower level without goalies and refs. Hence they didn't get the experience they needed to compete against the other clubs. Sending a house kid that played with pug goals to suddenly play with keepers isn't a good move. They'd be sent to get slaughtered. How about you buy a clue before you spout out garbage.

Umm, other clubs at U8 kinda play with the just bigger than pug goals and no goalies. For the traditional travel ages, sure, but worrying about being "slaughtered" at a rec tournament is poor reason to not go.

Since rec kids do not have player cards for the tournament and clubs usually have a bit of a tryout process for this type of team. It is easy enough to have tryouts based on the birth year mandate in order to form teams.

You are not getting the point. Some players at U8 would have to play at a U9 level. My guess is that most players that are VYS U8 all-stars have to play at the U9 level (where they would be lost).
If you get beat 10-0 in every game, is that fun? Can you develop in a situation like that?
Try-outs? When did we start talking about try-outs? These are all-star teams selected on how well a player did during the house season.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

Um yeah, the reason VYS didn't enter the younger kids into the tournament is because unlike travel, VYS house didn't change the age mandate. (This was decision during the Gunney era.) Many house kids at the younger age groups played at a lower level without goalies and refs. Hence they didn't get the experience they needed to compete against the other clubs. Sending a house kid that played with pug goals to suddenly play with keepers isn't a good move. They'd be sent to get slaughtered. How about you buy a clue before you spout out garbage.

Umm, other clubs at U8 kinda play with the just bigger than pug goals and no goalies. For the traditional travel ages, sure, but worrying about being "slaughtered" at a rec tournament is poor reason to not go.

Since rec kids do not have player cards for the tournament and clubs usually have a bit of a tryout process for this type of team. It is easy enough to have tryouts based on the birth year mandate in order to form teams.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

Um yeah, the reason VYS didn't enter the younger kids into the tournament is because unlike travel, VYS house didn't change the age mandate. (This was decision during the Gunney era.) Many house kids at the younger age groups played at a lower level without goalies and refs. Hence they didn't get the experience they needed to compete against the other clubs. Sending a house kid that played with pug goals to suddenly play with keepers isn't a good move. They'd be sent to get slaughtered. How about you buy a clue before you spout out garbage.

Anonymous wrote:I really think the club is doing a disservice to the youngest kids not having them play in crossover or the Herndon All-Star tournament. I know a parent said that VYS wasn't fielding competitive crossover teams so they stopped, but is that a good excuse? They get to go out and face other clubs representing their club, work with kids they don't know very well, learn a little about playing with GKs, having referees, following the laws of the game, having check ins, captains, 6v6, etc. It's a great experience. They have a mercy rule so the score is never that bad. Coaches (especially our professionals) should be able to get the kids to not focus on the score anyway. As to the U8 rec tournaments...I mean come on. It's such a great experience. It's probably their first tournament. This is shameful. It's a real disservice. If I had a U7 in this club, I'd get the hell out. A club should be looking to give kids opportunities to play...not take them away. Pathetic!

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Anonymous wrote:Just took a look at the accepted teams for the Herndon rec All-Star tournament. No VYS teams in U8B, U8gs, U9B, U9G, or U10Bs. Thoughts?

There was some talk that VYS wouldn't participate and would try to do something else with some other clubs. But then we heard we were going to Herndon anyway. Maybe that was just in older age groups, and they've managed to do something else for younger groups?

I understand the reluctance to play -- some of the teams in that tournament are pretty deft with elbows, forearms and kicks, and the refs do absolutely nothing to stop it. It's true in the FPYC tournament, too -- I coached a team that was playing well early in a game and was tied 2-2 until they (NVSC, a repeat offender) just fouled the crap out of our best player and a few others, leaving me with a bunch of guys with ice packs on the sideline. I don't know what that was, but it sure as hell wasn't soccer.

Anonymous wrote:Just took a look at the accepted teams for the Herndon rec All-Star tournament. No VYS teams in U8B, U8gs, U9B, U9G, or U10Bs. Thoughts?