Anonymous wrote:I think we have been lied to. I think Ebola is it more contagious than they say. Think about it, when people in hazmat suits tell you that something isn't contagious, do you really believe them??

Ebola is HIGHLY infectious once people are symptomatic and it gets worse as their illness progresses. NO ONE has said that it is not an infectious illness.

It is not, however, very contagious (easy to catch) before symptoms start.

Baylor hospital transfers someone with ebola like symptoms to another area hospital today: http://www.ketknbc.com/news/baylor-medical-center-transfers-patient-with-ebola

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Point is he infected two people and one of them was extremely irresponsible. She wasn;t feeling well when she left for Akron and she certainly wasn't feeling well when she returned. She knew the risks of exposure and she decided her wants trumped the need to contain the virus. Dr. Nancy Snyderman acted in an equally selfish way but was lucky to have not contracted or spread the virus.

I'm with you on Snyderman, but Amber gets a pass. She asked the CDC what to do. They are at fault. Amber may be guilty of a foolish decision, but not, I believe, a selfish one.

I agree about Amber- she sought clearance from the CDC before she traveled. Snyderman, OTOH, was fucking irresponsible and what she did as a physician was borderline unethical.

Snyderman should have been fired by NBC.

Wasn't Snyderman in her own car the whole time? If she never got out of her car (except at home, obviously) how did she put anyone else at risk?

Snyderman was seen dining in a crowded NYC restaurant.

While the nurse checked with the CDC on her way home, she never should have gone to Akron. She wasn't feeling well and her wants trumped everyone else's needs.

Relax. Nobody is going to get sick from eating with Nancy Snyderman or flying to Akron because that's not how Ebola is spread.

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Point is he infected two people and one of them was extremely irresponsible. She wasn;t feeling well when she left for Akron and she certainly wasn't feeling well when she returned. She knew the risks of exposure and she decided her wants trumped the need to contain the virus. Dr. Nancy Snyderman acted in an equally selfish way but was lucky to have not contracted or spread the virus.

I'm with you on Snyderman, but Amber gets a pass. She asked the CDC what to do. They are at fault. Amber may be guilty of a foolish decision, but not, I believe, a selfish one.

I agree about Amber- she sought clearance from the CDC before she traveled. Snyderman, OTOH, was fucking irresponsible and what she did as a physician was borderline unethical.

Snyderman should have been fired by NBC.

Wasn't Snyderman in her own car the whole time? If she never got out of her car (except at home, obviously) how did she put anyone else at risk?

Snyderman was seen dining in a crowded NYC restaurant.

While the nurse checked with the CDC on her way home, she never should have gone to Akron. She wasn't feeling well and her wants trumped everyone else's needs.

Anonymous wrote:So they rule put ebola based on her answering questions? Horse shit quarantine her for 21 days.

Her employer said she has not left the country

I think we have been lied to. I think Ebola is it more contagious than they say. Think about it, when people in hazmat suits tell you that something isn't contagious, do you really believe them??

Mexico and belize have shut the borders to ebola why no usa http://www.wtop.com/?nid=1235&sid=3724544

There are lots of reports that she's never been in West Africa, and that she had a known preexisting condition that caused the vomiting (pregnancy could be one). It sounds to me like maybe she got disoriented and answered yes when she meant no, or misheard the question or something, and people jumped to a conclusion.

We can't isolate and test everyone who throws up in public. We'd have hospitals filled to the brim with hung over college students, pregnant women, and people who just rode roller coasters.

Anonymous wrote:So they rule put ebola based on her answering questions? Horse shit quarantine her for 21 days.

I don't think she's released. I think she stays in isolation until they get tests back -- preliminary should be tomorrow. Don't know how long "final" results take. The fact that they're putting this out there may suggest that they are pretty certain as they likely don't want to come back tomorrow and say "just kidding." It was likely based on questions but may also be based on symptoms -- maybe she was able to tell them that she's pregnant and has morning sickness and they were able to confirm that; maybe they've already diagnosed something else like malaria where tests can be done in a few hrs.

So they rule put ebola based on her answering questions? Horse shit quarantine her for 21 days.

Anonymous wrote:Pentagon woman does not have Ebola.

http://www.wtop.com/289/3724483/Pentagon-reacts-to-sick-woman-claimed-Africa-trip

That's great!

p.s. how can they get a lab test that fast? There is no rapid Ebola diagonstic test that I am aware of. I'm guessing they are going by an account of her recent contacts/exposures. Given the 21-40 day window....

Pentagon woman does not have Ebola.

http://www.wtop.com/289/3724483/Pentagon-reacts-to-sick-woman-claimed-Africa-trip

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Point is he infected two people and one of them was extremely irresponsible. She wasn;t feeling well when she left for Akron and she certainly wasn't feeling well when she returned. She knew the risks of exposure and she decided her wants trumped the need to contain the virus. Dr. Nancy Snyderman acted in an equally selfish way but was lucky to have not contracted or spread the virus.

I'm with you on Snyderman, but Amber gets a pass. She asked the CDC what to do. They are at fault. Amber may be guilty of a foolish decision, but not, I believe, a selfish one.

I agree about Amber- she sought clearance from the CDC before she traveled. Snyderman, OTOH, was fucking irresponsible and what she did as a physician was borderline unethical.

Snyderman should have been fired by NBC.

Right, much worse to drive around in your own car with no symptoms and not get out, then have an active fever and get on a plane with 170 people. Clearly you are a master of risk measuring.

One person cleared her travel with the CDC or at least made them aware that was running a temperature but was not told to avoid travel. The other is a doctor who made a big deal about a self-imposed quarantine because she had been exposed to the cameraman who had ebola -- and then her desire for a fricking soup was so overwhelming that she had to violate the quarantine.

Let's be cleared -- CDC said it did not prohibit her from traveling (which it should have) but never gave her permission to do so. Putting that aside, you are lost in irrelevant details. Sick person on plane more of a risk than not sick person in her own car. Never is likely to turn out to be a high risk but the nurse's behavior was clearly higher risk than Snyderman's.

Neither not never. And clear, not cleared.

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Point is he infected two people and one of them was extremely irresponsible. She wasn;t feeling well when she left for Akron and she certainly wasn't feeling well when she returned. She knew the risks of exposure and she decided her wants trumped the need to contain the virus. Dr. Nancy Snyderman acted in an equally selfish way but was lucky to have not contracted or spread the virus.

I'm with you on Snyderman, but Amber gets a pass. She asked the CDC what to do. They are at fault. Amber may be guilty of a foolish decision, but not, I believe, a selfish one.

I agree about Amber- she sought clearance from the CDC before she traveled. Snyderman, OTOH, was fucking irresponsible and what she did as a physician was borderline unethical.

Snyderman should have been fired by NBC.

Right, much worse to drive around in your own car with no symptoms and not get out, then have an active fever and get on a plane with 170 people. Clearly you are a master of risk measuring.

One person cleared her travel with the CDC or at least made them aware that was running a temperature but was not told to avoid travel. The other is a doctor who made a big deal about a self-imposed quarantine because she had been exposed to the cameraman who had ebola -- and then her desire for a fricking soup was so overwhelming that she had to violate the quarantine.

Let's be cleared -- CDC said it did not prohibit her from traveling (which it should have) but never gave her permission to do so. Putting that aside, you are lost in irrelevant details. Sick person on plane more of a risk than not sick person in her own car. Never is likely to turn out to be a high risk but the nurse's behavior was clearly higher risk than Snyderman's.

Anonymous wrote:This CNN article talks about how a travel ban would be unprecedented. It mentions that we implemented no such control for SARS or H1N1. However, the fatality rate for those diseases is much lower. And H1N1 has a vaccine.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/politics/ebola-travel-ban-unprecedented/

SARS had a total of 8,000 cases in 8 months, with a fatality rate of 9%

This ebola epidemic in West Africa is predicted to have 10,000 new cases each week as it continues to spread, exponentially, over the next few months, throughout West African countries, where already people are dying from lack of health care for treatable illnesses. And they are running out of food.

The epidemics really are not in any way comparable.