Anonymous wrote:I feel quite confident that Charli XCX is thrilled to have her profile raised by Taylor Swift.

I am not a fan of Charli XCX' music. It's actually like nails on a chalk board for me. But her people will find her via Taylor's diss.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is revered for her pettiness and vengefulness. It’s part of how fans relate to her.

Yeah, I never get the criticism here. Any show, any book, any movie, any music we listen to it’s all about people figuring their crap out.

“ I’ve been in therapy for years and I’m finally figuring out how to own my own stuff and not rely on other people to meet needs I am responsible for meeting on my own” is great in real life but we want to see that journey not just hear about the destination.

This is not a People magazine cover story. It’s an album.

If people want to like her for her pettiness and vengefulness, I get that. I’m glad some of her fans are owning up to that because they used to berate/insult anyone who called her that. I guess they are maturing? I DO have a problem with someone who is consistently punching down and using vengeance as a platform being called a “good role model” for young girls. I can only see that being a plus if you want to perpetuate mean girl culture.

You need major help. It’s completely bizarre that you spend so much time on a thread, hating on someone you don’t know.
A good role model? What’s a good role model to you? It can be many definitions but I personally think she’s a fantastic role model showing how to share her wealth to help people and she does it over and over again

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Anonymous wrote:"Opalite" is about Travis's ex girlfriend he dated for five years? It's so gross to be a billionaire with this sort of platform attacking a random middle class Black woman who dated your fiancé.

Because she’s insecure even though she shouldn’t be. Travis would never leave her money and fame for some middle class rando.

She has at least two disses for black women.

Charli XCX
Ex gf of Travis

It's gross. And, with the ex gf, Taylor is punching down on a woman who does not have a big platform or all the money that TS has. It's not a good look. It's actually like something Trump would do.

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

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Sleepless in the onyx night
But now the sky is opalite

Look up onyx night or onyx star or even the gemstone onyx

The previous poster is correct.

Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

That is quite a reach.

Agreed. Um, she’s coming out of her tortured era (onyx) and everything is Opalite, Travis’s birthstone (+ his blue eye color is all over this album). That’s all.

How are you "tortured" when you have eight houses or more, house managers to buy everything the houses need, staff to make you food, drivers, pilots, a plane or two...Not seeing the torture.

I can see it. Despite all her riches, the one thing she wanted was a man she couldn’t have because of his perceived controversies’ impact on her image. And then the songs she wrote about Matty are the fan favorites, yet Swifties hated her when she started dating him and love her with Travis but now complain about her boring album and her shying away from politics and activism. I can see how that would torture and haunt me.

+1 And honestly, I would live my boring life 100 times over hers. She has a stalker for christ sake. She has security who follow her around with emergency suture kits if some freak gets too close and hurts her. No thanks. Give me anonymous trips to Target and getting lost in a Taylor Swift album any day.

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

Here is the line

Sleepless in the onyx night
But now the sky is opalite

Look up onyx night or onyx star or even the gemstone onyx

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

That is quite a reach.

Agreed. Um, she’s coming out of her tortured era (onyx) and everything is Opalite, Travis’s birthstone (+ his blue eye color is all over this album). That’s all.

How are you "tortured" when you have eight houses or more, house managers to buy everything the houses need, staff to make you food, drivers, pilots, a plane or two...Not seeing the torture.

I can see it. Despite all her riches, the one thing she wanted was a man she couldn’t have because of his perceived controversies’ impact on her image. And then the songs she wrote about Matty are the fan favorites, yet Swifties hated her when she started dating him and love her with Travis but now complain about her boring album and her shying away from politics and activism. I can see how that would torture and haunt me.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is revered for her pettiness and vengefulness. It’s part of how fans relate to her.

Yeah, I never get the criticism here. Any show, any book, any movie, any music we listen to it’s all about people figuring their crap out.

“ I’ve been in therapy for years and I’m finally figuring out how to own my own stuff and not rely on other people to meet needs I am responsible for meeting on my own” is great in real life but we want to see that journey not just hear about the destination.

This is not a People magazine cover story. It’s an album.

If people want to like her for her pettiness and vengefulness, I get that. I’m glad some of her fans are owning up to that because they used to berate/insult anyone who called her that. I guess they are maturing? I DO have a problem with someone who is consistently punching down and using vengeance as a platform being called a “good role model” for young girls. I can only see that being a plus if you want to perpetuate mean girl culture.

Anything Taylor does would be seen as punching down. She’s helped many of these young artists and they turn around and crap on her but somehow Taylor’s the one who’s not the girls girl.

Comments like these is why people think some of you are in a cult of personality.Whi the hell are these young artists she's supposedly helped ??? I swear some of you aren't capable of embarrassment .

I’m the person you’re quoting here and I’m actually not some massive Taylor fan but ok if you don’t think Taylor hasn’t helped, or tried to help, young artists.

Two comments from you on Taylor supposedly helping young artists and, inexplicably,you can't name ONE single artist she has 'helped'.

I can tell you would reject my list because we clearly have different interpretations of what helping other artists looks like and that’s fine.

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

That is quite a reach.

Agreed. Um, she’s coming out of her tortured era (onyx) and everything is Opalite, Travis’s birthstone (+ his blue eye color is all over this album). That’s all.

How are you "tortured" when you have eight houses or more, house managers to buy everything the houses need, staff to make you food, drivers, pilots, a plane or two...Not seeing the torture.

I can see it. Despite all her riches, the one thing she wanted was a man she couldn’t have because of his perceived controversies’ impact on her image. And then the songs she wrote about Matty are the fan favorites, yet Swifties hated her when she started dating him and love her with Travis but now complain about her boring album and her shying away from politics and activism. I can see how that would torture and haunt me.

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

That is quite a reach.

Agreed. Um, she’s coming out of her tortured era (onyx) and everything is Opalite, Travis’s birthstone (+ his blue eye color is all over this album). That’s all.

How are you "tortured" when you have eight houses or more, house managers to buy everything the houses need, staff to make you food, drivers, pilots, a plane or two...Not seeing the torture.

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Anonymous wrote:"Opalite" is about Travis's ex girlfriend he dated for five years? It's so gross to be a billionaire with this sort of platform attacking a random middle class Black woman who dated your fiancé.

Because she’s insecure even though she shouldn’t be. Travis would never leave her money and fame for some middle class rando.

She has at least two disses for black women.

Charli XCX
Ex gf of Travis

It's gross. And, with the ex gf, Taylor is punching down on a woman who does not have a big platform or all the money that TS has. It's not a good look. It's actually like something Trump would do.

Charli:

Oh, my bad. Taylor is attacking brown women of Indian descent and black women. Glad we have that clarified.

Charli has attacked first, and often. She doesn't not give a F, why should you

Show proof Charli attacked. I don't see it. She wrote a song about being insecure around people more famous/successful than her. Please explain how that is attacking someone.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Taylor fan-ish. But a lot of the fans here take any criticism of her so personally that’s it’s weird. The paradicial aspect of her marketing is something that I don’t know if I love for this reason. It’s unhealthy

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Anonymous wrote:"Opalite" is about Travis's ex girlfriend he dated for five years? It's so gross to be a billionaire with this sort of platform attacking a random middle class Black woman who dated your fiancé.

Because she’s insecure even though she shouldn’t be. Travis would never leave her money and fame for some middle class rando.

She has at least two disses for black women.

Charli XCX
Ex gf of Travis

It's gross. And, with the ex gf, Taylor is punching down on a woman who does not have a big platform or all the money that TS has. It's not a good look. It's actually like something Trump would do.

Charli:

Oh, my bad. Taylor is attacking brown women of Indian descent and black women. Glad we have that clarified.

Charli has attacked first, and often. She doesn't not give a F, why should you