BYW nurses dont work 12 hours shifts, that is what they are scheduled to work.

My daughter is a nurse. She is required to be there 15 minutes before clock in. She then does the turnover the prior shift and hand over of patents, then she works 12-13 hours and then does her hand off, then "charting.

She had a 45 minute drive to work, then 15 minute on shuttle buss over from employee lot.

She spends two hours commuting and at work 14-15 hours a day. She lives at home as just graduated. Some back to back shifts she only home 6-7 hours before returning.

I seen her work 40-45 hours in three days. It is not not a cushy three day work week. She is wiped out for days afterward.

Some nurses pick up shifts or do side work as pay low. Can you do four 15 hour shifts a week.

They do three their job, then a fourth one on side as part time work.

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As a single, full time working parent I paid for full time daycare. Ds was only in activities I could get him to on my own. That meant one per season, not half of what was going. It also meant only having one child at the time.

Saturday was ds's day. Sunday was laundry and meal prep.

SIL and I traded child care on weekends so we each had time to ourselves.

I don't have much sympathy for RTO. It has to be figured out.

In the real world 40 hours is the minimum hours worked. So workers are in the office a lot more than govt employees realize pre-covid.

If I had a Dentist Appointment or Doctors Appointment or Kids activity and I had to leave on time. Not early. I have to ask my boss usually.

Going back to office 40 yours a week is the absolute bare minimun in real worlds.

Places I worked at we often staff it based on a 50 hour week. We could hire 20 percent less workers. We be more profitable, we have less real estate rent, less people on medical plan. And even 50 hours is not a long day. If you eat at your desk and skip lunch it is 8-6pm

And in busy season when i was big four, we usually work 8-8 every day 60 hour weeks.

In summer we worked only 40 hour a week and felt like a vacation none of us knew what to do with all the free time.

When I worked at Citigroup we had a rule unless my dept was working at least 45 hours a week each we could not hire. Makes sense, how are you short staffed if no one is working OT?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

#1 and 2 (calling in from midmorning kids activities) I wouldn't do, I don't let my kids do summer swim or half day camps because they're not compatible with two working parents. I'm not a GS-15 either, not all feds make the MAX salary!

But the third one...that's a 40 hour week, for someone in an HQ desk job, not covering a public station with specific open hours. Why does that bother you? Lots of nurses work three 12-hour shifts, this is that plus a half day.

The reason nurses get the 12-hour shifts is because literally no one would be willing to work nights otherwise. If they have no nurses at night, people die. If Americans are fighting over this white-collar government job it doesn't make sense to give cushy hours.

You didn't explain why working three longer days in a non public facing desk job is doing any harm or wasting taxpayer money. It's the same total number of hours! What's the problem? Are you not allowed? I can't do that either, but I literally don't understand your issue with this schedule.

There are a couple of reasons why this wouldn't be allowed in a white collar job versus a nursing position. Number 1 is that during a 12 hour shift very few white collar workers are actually working 12 hours, and certainly not if they are working from home. Whereas the nurse is. Number 2 is that this is not the schedule most white collar workers follow, so then everyone else has to accommodate the 12 hour worker's limited schedule for meetings/collaboration. Maybe it's an independent contributor role with zero or very little collaboration, but that doesn't sound like the case with the PP's example above.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

I think they should be taken for granted. The average American should be clamoring for these benefits, too. The government competes over the exact same labor as private industry. The client on a maxiflex schedule was working 80 hours a week. Same with the person not working Fridays. Or maybe they were part time—are part time schedules not allowed?

Instead of demanding everyone regress down to the lowest level of labor protections, why aren’t people asking “hey, if the government can give those benefits, why can’t I?” These are the same Americans who applaud tax breaks for the rich because who knows, one day they might be rich too.

If someone wants what someone else has, you try to get it. You don’t take it away from everyone.

And your average american doesn’t interact with GS15s on a daily basis. The anger towards feds had nothing to do with remote work and telework. It is anger towards the availability of WFH in the entire white collar industry. We are just a proxy for that.

So much this. The whole rhetoric on this thread shows why we keep regressing (so many corporate apologists) instead of progressing toward better work conditions for more people. Instead of improving things, it's about petty griping on who is getting a "benefit" you don't have.

+2. DP. There is soooooo much exhausting talk on this thread about how folks should have made better choices. "My DH and I would never accept a job more than X miles from our house." "We would never live in X location." "We always budgeted for X contingency." "We would never do that." "We would never do this." Blah, blah. Well, neither my DH nor I (both private sector) would ever accept a position, or acquiesce, to a job that treats us like corporate slaves and offers no workplace flexibility. If that's the position you are in, clearly you should have made better choices!

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

#1 and 2 (calling in from midmorning kids activities) I wouldn't do, I don't let my kids do summer swim or half day camps because they're not compatible with two working parents. I'm not a GS-15 either, not all feds make the MAX salary!

But the third one...that's a 40 hour week, for someone in an HQ desk job, not covering a public station with specific open hours. Why does that bother you? Lots of nurses work three 12-hour shifts, this is that plus a half day.

The reason nurses get the 12-hour shifts is because literally no one would be willing to work nights otherwise. If they have no nurses at night, people die. If Americans are fighting over this white-collar government job it doesn't make sense to give cushy hours.

You didn't explain why working three longer days in a non public facing desk job is doing any harm or wasting taxpayer money. It's the same total number of hours! What's the problem? Are you not allowed? I can't do that either, but I literally don't understand your issue with this schedule.

Non-Fed NP. An enormous +1. The PP's unstated issue is obviously pure jealousy.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

I think they should be taken for granted. The average American should be clamoring for these benefits, too. The government competes over the exact same labor as private industry. The client on a maxiflex schedule was working 80 hours a week. Same with the person not working Fridays. Or maybe they were part time—are part time schedules not allowed?

Instead of demanding everyone regress down to the lowest level of labor protections, why aren’t people asking “hey, if the government can give those benefits, why can’t I?” These are the same Americans who applaud tax breaks for the rich because who knows, one day they might be rich too.

If someone wants what someone else has, you try to get it. You don’t take it away from everyone.

And your average american doesn’t interact with GS15s on a daily basis. The anger towards feds had nothing to do with remote work and telework. It is anger towards the availability of WFH in the entire white collar industry. We are just a proxy for that.

So much this. The whole rhetoric on this thread shows why we keep regressing (so many corporate apologists) instead of progressing toward better work conditions for more people. Instead of improving things, it's about petty griping on who is getting a "benefit" you don't have.

The US as a country will need to become like France or Germany to achieve this…I don’t know if it’s politically or economically fessible to make this type of shift. Germany’s economy is really struggling right now as are most EU economies. I know some of this is due to Chinese competition, but is the structure, if you will, of the economy also to blame?

I thought that narrative was that our economy was already so horrible and that's why Trump was elected. Now when it comes to workplace flexibilities, there is suddenly a focus on how we are doing better than the EU?

Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

A lot of parents DO this. We did! There were teenagers that would pick up the kids from the camp down the street, take them to swim practice, and back. I just don’t know that many working parents IRL who kept their kids home all a meme to avoid paying childcare. Those who did had kids that were older and could take care of themselves anyway (camp options decrease once you get to middle school).

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

#1 and 2 (calling in from midmorning kids activities) I wouldn't do, I don't let my kids do summer swim or half day camps because they're not compatible with two working parents. I'm not a GS-15 either, not all feds make the MAX salary!

But the third one...that's a 40 hour week, for someone in an HQ desk job, not covering a public station with specific open hours. Why does that bother you? Lots of nurses work three 12-hour shifts, this is that plus a half day.

The reason nurses get the 12-hour shifts is because literally no one would be willing to work nights otherwise. If they have no nurses at night, people die. If Americans are fighting over this white-collar government job it doesn't make sense to give cushy hours.

You didn't explain why working three longer days in a non public facing desk job is doing any harm or wasting taxpayer money. It's the same total number of hours! What's the problem? Are you not allowed? I can't do that either, but I literally don't understand your issue with this schedule.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

I think they should be taken for granted. The average American should be clamoring for these benefits, too. The government competes over the exact same labor as private industry. The client on a maxiflex schedule was working 80 hours a week. Same with the person not working Fridays. Or maybe they were part time—are part time schedules not allowed?

Instead of demanding everyone regress down to the lowest level of labor protections, why aren’t people asking “hey, if the government can give those benefits, why can’t I?” These are the same Americans who applaud tax breaks for the rich because who knows, one day they might be rich too.

If someone wants what someone else has, you try to get it. You don’t take it away from everyone.

And your average american doesn’t interact with GS15s on a daily basis. The anger towards feds had nothing to do with remote work and telework. It is anger towards the availability of WFH in the entire white collar industry. We are just a proxy for that.

So much this. The whole rhetoric on this thread shows why we keep regressing (so many corporate apologists) instead of progressing toward better work conditions for more people. Instead of improving things, it's about petty griping on who is getting a "benefit" you don't have.

The US as a country will need to become like France or Germany to achieve this…I don’t know if it’s politically or economically fessible to make this type of shift. Germany’s economy is really struggling right now as are most EU economies. I know some of this is due to Chinese competition, but is the structure, if you will, of the economy also to blame?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

#1 and 2 (calling in from midmorning kids activities) I wouldn't do, I don't let my kids do summer swim or half day camps because they're not compatible with two working parents. I'm not a GS-15 either, not all feds make the MAX salary!

But the third one...that's a 40 hour week, for someone in an HQ desk job, not covering a public station with specific open hours. Why does that bother you? Lots of nurses work three 12-hour shifts, this is that plus a half day.

The reason nurses get the 12-hour shifts is because literally no one would be willing to work nights otherwise. If they have no nurses at night, people die. If Americans are fighting over this white-collar government job it doesn't make sense to give cushy hours.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

I think they should be taken for granted. The average American should be clamoring for these benefits, too. The government competes over the exact same labor as private industry. The client on a maxiflex schedule was working 80 hours a week. Same with the person not working Fridays. Or maybe they were part time—are part time schedules not allowed?

Instead of demanding everyone regress down to the lowest level of labor protections, why aren’t people asking “hey, if the government can give those benefits, why can’t I?” These are the same Americans who applaud tax breaks for the rich because who knows, one day they might be rich too.

If someone wants what someone else has, you try to get it. You don’t take it away from everyone.

And your average american doesn’t interact with GS15s on a daily basis. The anger towards feds had nothing to do with remote work and telework. It is anger towards the availability of WFH in the entire white collar industry. We are just a proxy for that.

So much this. The whole rhetoric on this thread shows why we keep regressing (so many corporate apologists) instead of progressing toward better work conditions for more people. Instead of improving things, it's about petty griping on who is getting a "benefit" you don't have.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

#1 and 2 (calling in from midmorning kids activities) I wouldn't do, I don't let my kids do summer swim or half day camps because they're not compatible with two working parents. I'm not a GS-15 either, not all feds make the MAX salary!

But the third one...that's a 40 hour week, for someone in an HQ desk job, not covering a public station with specific open hours. Why does that bother you? Lots of nurses work three 12-hour shifts, this is that plus a half day.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a bit older so I did not have the hybrid or work from home option when my kids were young I had my kids in a daycare that was located at my office so a bit more expensive, but I did drop off and pick up. On sick days, my husband and I would take turns who would stay home and take care of the child or sometimes we would do half days I would work in the morning and he would go to the office and then he would come home at lunch and I would go into the office.

We did not make enough money for me to quit my job. And the daycare craziness was only for five years as I have two kids that are back to back.

Once they were in elementary school, we used the schools after care program. In the summers, I would coordinate summer camps with the parents of my kids friends so that we could take turns with drop off and pick up.

Millennials refuse to talk to and coordinate with other parents. There is a marked difference in this between how the parents of my 6th grader behave (and behaved 5 years ago) and the parents of my 1st grader behave.

You mean people refuse to demand free child care from other parents? Yes, that's appropriate. I had to stop working due to childcare. I'm not here to shag your kid around for free (or even a small pay) when I'm now home for my teens. You need to take care of your kids needs and stop dumping them on others.

Yup, as selfish and annoying as expected! Some of us would call this "sharing the burden" or "carpooling" or "bartering services" or whatever, but you, you're just a selfish a-hole.

I’m not selfish. I drive my own kids. I’m tried of strangers demanding I drive their kids. I owe you nothing. It’s not sharing as often the other families cancel, bail or refuse.

DP. So this is seriously your reason why you can’t RTO? Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on work calls with DoD employees around mid morning, calling into calls from gymnastics camp. Same client, couldn’t schedule Friday meetings either.

Summer swim team has fed employees (GS-15) working from the pool at 10am swim practices.

I have one client (fed employee) who worked 1/2 day Monday, 12hrs/day Tuesday- Thursday, and off on Friday. HQ agency desk job (eg not medical, shift work, etc).

I think these are the types situation that most people are upset about. Why are taxpayers paying for a fed employee to work from a pool while doing summer childcare. They should have hired a nanny/teenager to take kid to swim team.

These things are nice to have but shouldn’t be taken as granted when the avg American people are struggling.

I think they should be taken for granted. The average American should be clamoring for these benefits, too. The government competes over the exact same labor as private industry. The client on a maxiflex schedule was working 80 hours a week. Same with the person not working Fridays. Or maybe they were part time—are part time schedules not allowed?

Instead of demanding everyone regress down to the lowest level of labor protections, why aren’t people asking “hey, if the government can give those benefits, why can’t I?” These are the same Americans who applaud tax breaks for the rich because who knows, one day they might be rich too.

If someone wants what someone else has, you try to get it. You don’t take it away from everyone.

And your average american doesn’t interact with GS15s on a daily basis. The anger towards feds had nothing to do with remote work and telework. It is anger towards the availability of WFH in the entire white collar industry. We are just a proxy for that.