I work north of Palisades in Bethesda and I agree the airplane noise is significant outdoors especially in afternoons with planes overhead every few minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you telling residents who bought houses far away from the airport or any flight paths but close to the river 20 years ago to uproot their families and move? Who has suddenly decided that the Potomac River has to become a runway? The members of the DCA noise working group started peddling this theory only recently. It is clear that the information released in all the media outlets is designed to reinforce that theory and further confuse residents. Who is pulling all the strings here?

The FAA — and there’s nothing you can do about it

It is not the FAA that is pushing for the current flight path to be moved over the river and closer to NW DC. Your representatives on the MWAA Noise Working Group are the ones pushing for it. Did you see all the recent media reports?

Advocacy groups and individuals can do whatever want they want to try and effect flight path changes, but ultimately it all comes down to the FAA. And no one can beat them, so there will be no meaningful change. All you can do is not buy a home in an affected area, or move.

Totally agree. Drove through the Palisades earlier - it was like North by Northwest but if the dust cropper was a 767. Awful awful awful. How can these people stand it?!

There was less racket in the Palisades in June, July and August because most of the operations were southflow and the FAA suspended the inclement weather procedure for several months.

When the new flight path was unveiled in 2022 the members of the DCA Roundtable representing NW DC had serious concerns about the new flight path being moved towards the center of the very narrow river. Were those concerns addressed? When will the new procedure begin in DC?

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2023-01/Final%20summary%2010-27-22%20DCA%20WG%20meeting%2050.pdf

Anonymous wrote:I find this quote interesting:

"But, Buckley adds, he’s noticed a marked decrease in the racket in the month since the FAA rolled out the new route. "

At the time of the interview, the new flight path was not yet in use in DC. It was quieter because the FAA suspended the inclement weather procedure for three months, as reported earlier.

I read that the implementation of the new procedure was delayed in DC because pilots were uneasy about flying too close to restricted space so the FAA was still trying to work out the details.

I find this quote interesting:

"But, Buckley adds, he’s noticed a marked decrease in the racket in the month since the FAA rolled out the new route. "

At the time of the interview, the new flight path was not yet in use in DC. It was quieter because the FAA suspended the inclement weather procedure for three months, as reported earlier.

The airport near my house (currently 100% private flights)will start offering commercial flights in a few years. Should I sell my house before the airport starts commercial flights? The noise is minimal now, but sometimes I can hear planes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you telling residents who bought houses far away from the airport or any flight paths but close to the river 20 years ago to uproot their families and move? Who has suddenly decided that the Potomac River has to become a runway? The members of the DCA noise working group started peddling this theory only recently. It is clear that the information released in all the media outlets is designed to reinforce that theory and further confuse residents. Who is pulling all the strings here?

The FAA — and there’s nothing you can do about it

It is not the FAA that is pushing for the current flight path to be moved over the river and closer to NW DC. Your representatives on the MWAA Noise Working Group are the ones pushing for it. Did you see all the recent media reports?

Advocacy groups and individuals can do whatever want they want to try and effect flight path changes, but ultimately it all comes down to the FAA. And no one can beat them, so there will be no meaningful change. All you can do is not buy a home in an affected area, or move.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you telling residents who bought houses far away from the airport or any flight paths but close to the river 20 years ago to uproot their families and move? Who has suddenly decided that the Potomac River has to become a runway? The members of the DCA noise working group started peddling this theory only recently. It is clear that the information released in all the media outlets is designed to reinforce that theory and further confuse residents. Who is pulling all the strings here?

The FAA — and there’s nothing you can do about it

It is not the FAA that is pushing for the current flight path to be moved over the river and closer to NW DC. Your representatives on the MWAA Noise Working Group are the ones pushing for it. Did you see all the recent media reports?

This perfectly describes our experience with multiple real estate agents in the Palisades. And perfectly describes the aftermath too (except there was no 1.5 hr wait):

“ At one point, I did, without much real thought or intention, ask the owner whether the airport caused any annoyances. For example, should I be mindful of poisonous clouds that could shutdown my lungs quicker than he wants to get rid of this gaff? He smirked at me, took me out into the back garden, and pointed way over there towards Mars, and smugly signalled ‘not a problem’
Well, that’s not exactly irrefutable proof.
But okay.”

“I woke up the next afternoon and made my way to the property. I was prepared to sit on the layby, just in front of the driveway, all freaking day long if I had to (a few hours, max) in order to determine what I was dealing with.
After a mind-numbingly boring 1.5 hour wait, which gave me the opportunity to remind myself of how much I don’t like the game Solitaire, my heart abruptly fell out of my anal-passage, as I heard the colossal roars of an incoming aircraft. My head frantically swivelled in all directions, and there she was in all her glory… a regrettably short 15’ish metres down the road, and scraping the rooftop of the neighbours’ property, a Boeing 737 Ryanair aircraft was approaching to land.
F&$@ this!
I’m out!”

“Universally undesirable”? Phlease!

Show me your Palisades and Foxhall and Glen Echo, and I’ll raise you a Spring Valley

This article is a first hand account by a real estate investor, and it made me laugh too:

“ There are plenty of small towns, villages and hamlets surrounding Stansted, and it’s relatively easy to identify which one’s are too close for comfort, because the house prices sharply nose-dive into the earth’s core. Yes, many of the houses are beautiful, consisting of spacious gardens and pretentious driveways, but they come at a deafening cost. If you skateboard 5 miles down the cobble road where the air is cleaner and the world is quieter, the same properties demand 50% more. Apparently fresh air ain’t cheap, and why should it be? :/
I have to admit though, my eyes have been opened. I never realised how vast the price difference can be. I totally get why many are prepared to live close to a major airport and make the compromise of bathing in poisonous fumes, and potentially breed 3-armed, telepathic mutant children. The noise can be an issue, too.
Certainly not for me, but I get it.
On a side note, my experience is not necessarily a reflection of how every house near a UK flight path is impacted. I imagine it varies airport by airport. But broadly speaking, it’s probably safe to assume that noise and air pollution is universally undesirable”

This poor man would be very confused by how resilient the Palisades real estate agents are to his wholesome universal truths

https://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/buying-a-house-on-a-flight-path/

More recently, Los Angeles bought properties from the owners (because over time very few people would buy there). There’s no big city with big pockets here, so caveat emptor and don’t fall for the slick real estate agent mocking you for being “mentally ill” or “hypersensitive” for not wanting to die years early or get a chronic disease or endure AirBuses substituting for the alarm clocks

“In 2000, the city established the "Voluntary Residential Acquisition and Relocation Program" for the neighborhoods of Manchester Square and Belford. According to the city, this program was created in response to residents who expressed a desire to relocate rather than to submit their homes to city-funded soundproofing as mitigation for the noise associated with the airport. By 2009, the city had spent several hundred million dollars…
Unlike the majority of the property owners in Manchester Square and Belford, plaintiffs in the 2011 lawsuit—including owners of rental properties within the neighborhoods—chose not to sell. Yet, as more and more buildings were demolished by the city, the number of renters in plaintiffs' properties continued to decrease as the neighborhood presumably became less appealing socially and aesthetically. Instead of selling their properties, plaintiffs brought suit against the city claiming inverse condemnation: the city's program, they claimed, devalued their property but offered no compensation.

Contrary to plaintiffs' implications, the city's program was voluntary, and plaintiffs presented no evidence that any former owner felt coerced to sell their property to the city. The "blight" that emerged was therefore the result of voluntary actions which, though possibly detrimental to the remaining owners, were not directly influenced by the city. Under these facts, the court held that the city acted properly in acquiring and demolishing the properties, and plaintiffs were not entitled to compensation."

Typo = razed

I only know of one small airport that was moved but there are several communities that disappeared. One example is the wealthy Palisades del Ray near LAX where 800 houses overlooking the ocean were raised in the 1970s There are also more recent examples.

A more typical story is that the properties loose value, become hard to sell, who lives in them changes, investments stop and so on. In just about any other location, the houses are at 30%-40% less than the neighboring communities that aren’t polluted and noisy.

We had no interest in sticking around to find out if our property looses value over the next few decades and who gets sick first. You couldn’t pay me and increasingly most sane people to move to the Palisades and such places.

Anonymous wrote:Are you telling residents who bought houses far away from the airport or any flight paths but close to the river 20 years ago to uproot their families and move? Who has suddenly decided that the Potomac River has to become a runway? The members of the DCA noise working group started peddling this theory only recently. It is clear that the information released in all the media outlets is designed to reinforce that theory and further confuse residents. Who is pulling all the strings here?

The FAA — and there’s nothing you can do about it