Anonymous
06/08/2011 14:12
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
I would think low wisc scores are not posted here as the parents may have decided that they wont matter.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 14:11
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Let's make it simpler - your kid didn't get in. Other did. Accept it and stop being a tiger mom.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 14:11
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:Curious about the remarkable scores posted by our compiler (thank you, person who did this). These scores are quite astonishing (mostly 98% or 99% kids in that group). I have a question for the masses (stand down, troll): Do you think these scores are representative of those appealing? Or do you think this board is self-selecting and only extraordinary scores are posted here? I'm trying to get a feel for what the pool of kids look like on appeal. I'm quite flabbergasted by the abundance of uber-high scores posted here. I read somewhere that a kids with a WISC 145 is like a 1 in 1,000 kid or something. Any opinions, ramblings, thoughts appreciated. Thanks!!
The problem I think to begin with is if there are more good kids in same class, teacher gives good GBRS (>12) only to one or two kids.
Thats why all these appeals.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 14:05
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Well, a GBRS of 8 and WISC of 120 will not be here. This is primarily self selected based on children of very smart kids with low GBRS.
The real problem with GBRS is people do not understand them. a GBRS of 8 is like a CogAT of 100-110. There are a variety of reasons in an individual case, GBRS might not be accurate, just like CogAT's are not always accurate. For example, an introverted child that keeps their ideas to themselves might not be identified in GBRS.
The real problem with GBRS is people do not understand them. a GBRS of 8 is like a CogAT of 100-110. There are a variety of reasons in an individual case, GBRS might not be accurate, just like CogAT's are not always accurate. For example, an introverted child that keeps their ideas to themselves might not be identified in GBRS.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 14:03
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:Curious about the remarkable scores posted by our compiler (thank you, person who did this). These scores are quite astonishing (mostly 98% or 99% kids in that group). I have a question for the masses (stand down, troll): Do you think these scores are representative of those appealing? Or do you think this board is self-selecting and only extraordinary scores are posted here? I'm trying to get a feel for what the pool of kids look like on appeal. I'm quite flabbergasted by the abundance of uber-high scores posted here. I read somewhere that a kids with a WISC 145 is like a 1 in 1,000 kid or something. Any opinions, ramblings, thoughts appreciated. Thanks!!
These kids were in the pool to begin with.
Most of the time parents who decided to appeal have good reasons.
So no wonder to me that most of the scores are good.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:56
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Curious about the remarkable scores posted by our compiler (thank you, person who did this). These scores are quite astonishing (mostly 98% or 99% kids in that group). I have a question for the masses (stand down, troll): Do you think these scores are representative of those appealing? Or do you think this board is self-selecting and only extraordinary scores are posted here? I'm trying to get a feel for what the pool of kids look like on appeal. I'm quite flabbergasted by the abundance of uber-high scores posted here. I read somewhere that a kids with a WISC 145 is like a 1 in 1,000 kid or something. Any opinions, ramblings, thoughts appreciated. Thanks!!
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:56
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:If your kids are so great, why didn't they get in the first time?
Could be number of reasons.
That's why the Central Selection Committee has formal appeal process.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:54
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
I would think WISC overrides all other other testing results and maybe carry a weight of 60-80%(especially if WISC is above 140). With a FSIQ of 150, a GBRS of 7 or even lower carries no weight at all.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:54
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
I do not think a GBRS is reliable since teachers have different experiences with kids. Some have been teaching for 30 years and some for 4 months before having to fill out a GBRS. There is no training for the process and if you have never been around gifted kids or really know what to look for than the GBRS can be skewed. I know in my base school that there were more kids from the veteran teachers rooms who got into center this year than from my child's brand new teacher's classroom. I was not only shocked by my child's denial but I was also shocked by 2 other kids in her classroom who definitely should have gone. Filling out any paperwork like that takes experience with gifted and non-gifted kids.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:54
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
If your kids are so great, why didn't they get in the first time?
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:52
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
Anonymous wrote:I said this before on another thread but will reiterate: If you submit at WISC score on appeal, the CogAT scores essentially drop out of the equation (CogAT group test is a quick, cheap, broad-brush attempt to identify the gifted, but WISC is the reliable real deal). The NNAT (which is a different animal) can mildly enter the calculus on appeal. Other than that, they consider GBRS and grades. End of story. It's a numbers game from there, and don't kid yourself that a sterling letter from Coach Billy makes any difference. Ses have rveral technical studieeported that VCI is the best predictor of "g", or general intelligence, and VCI is a close second. The WMI and PSI do not correlate to "g" and, in fact, the typical gifted profile reflects average or high average scores on WMI and PSI. I am guessing that, if the AAP committee does favor verbal over non-verbal test scores (and I would place that in the "rumor" category as there is no hard evidence), then these studies are the reason why.
The data on this forum doesn't support your statement about dropping CogAT but keeping GBRS.
Most of the appeal case at least based on the data on this forum is due to mediocre GBRS - 7, 8, 9.
Seems to me Submitting good WISC overturns low GBRS, too.
Agreed that other stuff like recommendation letter form Coach Billy doesn't make any difference.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:43
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
How about something like this:
GBRS 15 or above - IN
NNAT 150 or above - IN
One of the CogAT or Composite 145 or above - IN
Otherwise apply something like following formula:
50% - Test (NNAT & CogAt)
20% - Report Card
20% - Teachers evaluation, recommendation, opinion, input whatever you want to call (I say do away with that numbered rating)
10% - Others such as 'school' work sample, recommendation letters from others, parent letter/input, other scores (DRA, etc), etc
When appealing, something like:
40% - WISC
20% - NNAT & CogAt
15% - Report
15% - Teacher input
10% - Others
GBRS 15 or above - IN
NNAT 150 or above - IN
One of the CogAT or Composite 145 or above - IN
Otherwise apply something like following formula:
50% - Test (NNAT & CogAt)
20% - Report Card
20% - Teachers evaluation, recommendation, opinion, input whatever you want to call (I say do away with that numbered rating)
10% - Others such as 'school' work sample, recommendation letters from others, parent letter/input, other scores (DRA, etc), etc
When appealing, something like:
40% - WISC
20% - NNAT & CogAt
15% - Report
15% - Teacher input
10% - Others
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:37
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
I said this before on another thread but will reiterate: If you submit at WISC score on appeal, the CogAT scores essentially drop out of the equation (CogAT group test is a quick, cheap, broad-brush attempt to identify the gifted, but WISC is the reliable real deal). The NNAT (which is a different animal) can mildly enter the calculus on appeal. Other than that, they consider GBRS and grades. End of story. It's a numbers game from there, and don't kid yourself that a sterling letter from Coach Billy makes any difference. Several technical studies have reported that VCI is the best predictor of "g", or general intelligence, and VCI is a close second. The WMI and PSI do not correlate to "g" and, in fact, the typical gifted profile reflects average or high average scores on WMI and PSI. I am guessing that, if the AAP committee does favor verbal over non-verbal test scores (and I would place that in the "rumor" category as there is no hard evidence), then these studies are the reason why.
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:35
Subject: GT/AAP Appeals
PP: I think GBRS is no better or worse than test scores. I am biased because DD got in with a 15 GBRS and 120 test scores (all elements, all subs test, within 3 points of 120)
Anonymous
06/08/2011 13:28
Subject: Re:GT/AAP Appeals
so we're agreed then, the GBRS is probably the best, most reliable indicator of whether a child belongs in AAP? 