Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 22:07     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous wrote:Putin is hosed. He's backed himself into an unwinnable situation. Too bad for the Russian people.


How so? Europe and the US are not going to lift a finger to save Ukraine. Sanctions aren't going to do much. OPEC has more loyalty to its own members than outsiders, and Saudi Arabia won't budge on oil, which means Europe has a gas problem, since it gets its gas from Russia. China is in Russia's corner purely to act as counterweight against the West, which it wants to destabilize, on its way to becoming the world's next superpower.

Yes, it's an unwinnable situation for Ukraine and the West.

If you have opposing views backed by logical arguments, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 22:01     Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine

Remove nukes and extractive resources from Russia and they are nothing.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 21:58     Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine

On Russia’s part, this looks like amateur hour. So, they want to start a war by having proxies bait Ukraine into responding and calling it genocide? Then, the proxies want to force the male townsfolk to volunteer for the army? Then, when insufficient townsfolk (men don’t signup and women and children don’t leave) get whipped up, they fire on their own towns to claim Ukrainian aggression? Is this how a superpower starts a war? Putin seems as incompetent as Trump.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 21:47     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be most interesting to know how the US is getting its intelligence information.

Hopefully no one finds out who doesn’t need to know. It seems we have excellent intelligence. CNN reporting it’s indicating orders have been sent to Russian commanders to proceed with an attack on Ukraine,


Why do you think we have good intelligence? Historically, I don't think we have a good track record.

In this instance, perhaps Putin is feeding us misinformation. Perhaps he simply wants us to believe he has given the order to invade, when, in fact, no such order has yet been given.



Brinkmanship -- the strategy is making your opponent think you are willing to launch a full-scale war, in the hope of forcing them to the negotiating table. I believe that just happened, yes? Biden has agreed to meet Putin for a summit.


In this case, I think it’s Putin looking for a way out. Sure, the US and Europe don’t want a war, but I think Putin has much more to lose. Even China has backed away from support.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 21:41     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be most interesting to know how the US is getting its intelligence information.

Hopefully no one finds out who doesn’t need to know. It seems we have excellent intelligence. CNN reporting it’s indicating orders have been sent to Russian commanders to proceed with an attack on Ukraine,


Why do you think we have good intelligence? Historically, I don't think we have a good track record.

In this instance, perhaps Putin is feeding us misinformation. Perhaps he simply wants us to believe he has given the order to invade, when, in fact, no such order has yet been given.



Brinkmanship -- the strategy is making your opponent think you are willing to launch a full-scale war, in the hope of forcing them to the negotiating table. I believe that just happened, yes? Biden has agreed to meet Putin for a summit.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 21:39     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Putin is hosed. He's backed himself into an unwinnable situation. Too bad for the Russian people.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 20:46     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be most interesting to know how the US is getting its intelligence information.

Hopefully no one finds out who doesn’t need to know. It seems we have excellent intelligence. CNN reporting it’s indicating orders have been sent to Russian commanders to proceed with an attack on Ukraine,


Why do you think we have good intelligence? Historically, I don't think we have a good track record.

In this instance, perhaps Putin is feeding us misinformation. Perhaps he simply wants us to believe he has given the order to invade, when, in fact, no such order has yet been given.



What purpose would that serve? Surely he isn't so stupid as to think he could send misinformation to goad us into attacking him first?

Both the President and Vice President have stated multiple times military force won’t be employed to protect Ukraine.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 20:43     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be most interesting to know how the US is getting its intelligence information.

Hopefully no one finds out who doesn’t need to know. It seems we have excellent intelligence. CNN reporting it’s indicating orders have been sent to Russian commanders to proceed with an attack on Ukraine,


Why do you think we have good intelligence? Historically, I don't think we have a good track record.

In this instance, perhaps Putin is feeding us misinformation. Perhaps he simply wants us to believe he has given the order to invade, when, in fact, no such order has yet been given.



What purpose would that serve? Surely he isn't so stupid as to think he could send misinformation to goad us into attacking him first?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 20:27     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Didn’t Russia invade Ukraine in 2014? This is already old news.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 19:20     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It would be most interesting to know how the US is getting its intelligence information.

Hopefully no one finds out who doesn’t need to know. It seems we have excellent intelligence. CNN reporting it’s indicating orders have been sent to Russian commanders to proceed with an attack on Ukraine,


Why do you think we have good intelligence? Historically, I don't think we have a good track record.

In this instance, perhaps Putin is feeding us misinformation. Perhaps he simply wants us to believe he has given the order to invade, when, in fact, no such order has yet been given.

Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 18:48     Subject: Re:US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 17:24     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Biden may be worried about his sons investments in Ukraine
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 17:21     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Other sources reporting that the go ahead has been given. Biden is cutting his trip to Delaware short. Who knows. This could be another head game from Putin.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 17:05     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

Anonymous wrote:It would be most interesting to know how the US is getting its intelligence information.

Hopefully no one finds out who doesn’t need to know. It seems we have excellent intelligence. CNN reporting it’s indicating orders have been sent to Russian commanders to proceed with an attack on Ukraine,
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2022 16:29     Subject: US has no good options in Ukraine

It would be most interesting to know how the US is getting its intelligence information.