Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:35
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
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+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?
Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.
Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?
I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.
I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.
Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.
They were dead in 3 seconds. I don't think they could have done much that could be defined as threatening. A trained cop should be able to judge the situation better. He should be off the force.
The man had just been violently assaulted. He didn't know these people from Adam. They were rushing into the situation to protect the assailant and that is why they got shot.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:31
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
.
+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?
Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.
Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?
I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.
I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.
Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.
They were dead in 3 seconds. I don't think they could have done much that could be defined as threatening. A trained cop should be able to judge the situation better. He should be off the force.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:29
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
.
+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?
Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.
Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?
I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.
I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.
Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:25
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Question for the people saying this murderer was somehow justified because his child was there: what if you had another armed nutcase there with his own child who started shooting at the cop after seeing him shoot 10 times in 4 seconds and down 3 people, because he felt justified trying to step into a mass shooting and disarm the shooter? So then you’d have a massive shootout with multiple shooters. Would the other guy also get away with murder if the cop also ended up dead after it? Since the guy felt that he and his child’s life were in danger? When does it end?
Huh?
A man with his baby in his arms was on the ground firing at his assailant and two other adults who were rushing in on him. There was no crazed mass shooter.
The witnesses who saw this all happen say the mentally ill man suddenly attacked the officer for no reason. It was pretty clear why the officer fired his weapon and the incident was over in less than 4 seconds.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:22
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
.
+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?
Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.
Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?
I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.
I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.
+1 With 10 shots fired so fast in a crowded store, he could have easily hit another innocent child whose parents were shopping at Costco.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:21
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
.
+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?
Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.
Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?
I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.
I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:14
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
.
+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?
Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.
Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?
I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:11
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Question for the people saying this murderer was somehow justified because his child was there: what if you had another armed nutcase there with his own child who started shooting at the cop after seeing him shoot 10 times in 4 seconds and down 3 people, because he felt justified trying to step into a mass shooting and disarm the shooter? So then you’d have a massive shootout with multiple shooters. Would the other guy also get away with murder if the cop also ended up dead after it? Since the guy felt that he and his child’s life were in danger? When does it end?
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:03
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Nobody in that picture look capable of any sort of serious assault. You need to calm down!
Anonymous
09/26/2019 23:02
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:This mentally ill man did not "bump" into this police officer. He violently attacked the officer as he held his baby in his arms. That's why he got shot. His parents got shot when they rushed in to protect their son.
Had the officer not had the means to stop the assailant, the innocent baby could have been killed by the assailant for all we know.
District attorney Hestrin said the guy got punched in the head. Was that good? No. Did 3 people deserve to die in 3 seconds because the cop shot 10 times? No. That's what is known as "disproportionate force."
Anonymous
09/26/2019 22:57
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
This mentally ill man did not "bump" into this police officer. He violently attacked the officer as he held his baby in his arms. That's why he got shot. His parents got shot when they rushed in to protect their son.
Had the officer not had the means to stop the assailant, the innocent baby could have been killed by the assailant for all we know.
Had the officer not had the means to stop the assailant, the innocent baby could have been killed by the assailant for all we know.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 22:56
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
.
+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?
Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 22:55
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
I’m for very strict gun control.
But, the people on this thread falsely claiming that innocent bystanders were shot and now claiming that three people were killed are doing NOTHING to help the gun control dialogue.
But, the people on this thread falsely claiming that innocent bystanders were shot and now claiming that three people were killed are doing NOTHING to help the gun control dialogue.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 22:44
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Honestly i keep noticing armed people in Costco since this happened and it really has really made me feel unsafe shopping there.
Anonymous
09/26/2019 22:23
Subject: Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?
It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.
A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.
Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?
The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.
No, the story is this.
Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.
People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.
.
+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.
Who were the two elderly people killed?