Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:39
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Since this whole thread is a groupthink exercise and because generally I believe it, i will take the other side.
1. Every ticket you buy comes with a disclaimer that they overbook.
2. They tried, as most flights to, to get people to take the deal to get off the flight.
3. No takers. They had to get the crew to the destination or they would have cancelled the flight and inconvenienced a hundred other people.
4. After no takers, they chose at random.
Could they have paid more or should they have paid more - YES. Without question.
That said, he bought a ticket with this condition baked in. Every ticket that anyone has ever bought has this condition. You are not flying private. It is not your plane and you don't make the rules.
When somebody from the airline tells you to get off a plane, you get off the plane. That would have solved this problem very quickly. Take the $800, maybe even negotiate but this chaos could have been avoided. Of course it is inconvenient but very little about air travel is convenient.
United has a mess on its hands without a doubt and somewhere they crossed the line to forcible removal which was horrible judgment but at the same time, this guy had a personal responsibility that he didn't live up to in this case.
Except they didn't even get to the negotiating cap before moving to forceable removal. Thus under your scenario they will offer the absolute minimum required by law (which could theoretically be zero) and then just target people for removal according to non-transparent algorithms.
The free market could have easily taken care of this situation, but United decided to bully rather than play fair from step 1 and at every other choice point along the way.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:37
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:According to new article on WaPo, entire flight had boarded (people in seats) AND THEN the four United employees approached the gate agent saying they needed a seat.
So that is why this happened after everyone had boarded. So next time you get on an airplane, you aren't really safe until it takes off, because they can just come on board and remove you. This was not an overbooked or oversold flight. This was an example of entitlement by United employees, all of them.
Sorry, link here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/04/11/amid-pr-fiasco-over-dragged-passenger-united-ceo-defends-his-crew/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc773c41ee25
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:37
Subject: Don't fly United
According to new article on WaPo, entire flight had boarded (people in seats) AND THEN the four United employees approached the gate agent saying they needed a seat.
So that is why this happened after everyone had boarded. So next time you get on an airplane, you aren't really safe until it takes off, because they can just come on board and remove you. This was not an overbooked or oversold flight. This was an example of entitlement by United employees, all of them.
So that is why this happened after everyone had boarded. So next time you get on an airplane, you aren't really safe until it takes off, because they can just come on board and remove you. This was not an overbooked or oversold flight. This was an example of entitlement by United employees, all of them.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:33
Subject: Don't fly United
Now Emirates has joined the fray calling out Munoz by name and asking people to Fly the Friendly Skies of a Rral Airline.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:33
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Hasn't rode
Could of drove
WTH?
Right? Must be the "low brows" I keep hearing about on other threads
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:27
Subject: Don't fly United
But this flight wasn't oversold! It was full, all seats sold and everyone showed up. No no-shows. This is a case of United needing 4 seats for employees commuting via personal passes to hero their personal HUB of Louisville. By flying via personal pass the United employees get to their HUB for free.
So all this discussion of passenger bill of rights and codes of conduct, etc are irrelevant because this wasn't an oversold situation. They needed to bump people for their own employees' commutes.
How does a personal pass work? Do they fly standby? Do they make a reservation in advance (if so how far)? I think this is a new kind of rare situation, or at least for the airline to get caught I. One. What are the passenger's rights when the airline tries to bump them for an employee but the flight isn't oversold?
So all this discussion of passenger bill of rights and codes of conduct, etc are irrelevant because this wasn't an oversold situation. They needed to bump people for their own employees' commutes.
How does a personal pass work? Do they fly standby? Do they make a reservation in advance (if so how far)? I think this is a new kind of rare situation, or at least for the airline to get caught I. One. What are the passenger's rights when the airline tries to bump them for an employee but the flight isn't oversold?
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:20
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Hasn't rode
Could of drove
WTH?
It's the highly educated liberal elite. What do you want? Literacy?
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:20
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here know any airline lobbyists?
I do
How do they plan to wiesil out of this catastrophe? I imagine they have a nack for turning just about everything to their advantage. They've been building "friendships" with politicians for decades, haven't they?
I can guess. They wil offer a new low-cost fare option and by buying that fare, you agree to be bumped if the flight is full. I'm sure passengers will be willing to take the risk to save a few $$. You're more likely to be delayed due to weather than overbookings anyway, by a long shot.
Read your ticket, you already agree to that.
Yeah, I mean it'll be like "first to be bumped", which is actually how it now works anyway (they pick the people with the cheapest tickets) but then it's more clearly stated.. I suppose.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:18
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here know any airline lobbyists?
I do
How do they plan to wiesil out of this catastrophe? I imagine they have a nack for turning just about everything to their advantage. They've been building "friendships" with politicians for decades, haven't they?
I can guess. They wil offer a new low-cost fare option and by buying that fare, you agree to be bumped if the flight is full. I'm sure passengers will be willing to take the risk to save a few $$. You're more likely to be delayed due to weather than overbookings anyway, by a long shot.
Read your ticket, you already agree to that.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:17
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Since this whole thread is a groupthink exercise and because generally I believe it, i will take the other side.
1. Every ticket you buy comes with a disclaimer that they overbook.
2. They tried, as most flights to, to get people to take the deal to get off the flight.
3. No takers. They had to get the crew to the destination or they would have cancelled the flight and inconvenienced a hundred other people.
4. After no takers, they chose at random.
Could they have paid more or should they have paid more - YES. Without question.
That said, he bought a ticket with this condition baked in. Every ticket that anyone has ever bought has this condition. You are not flying private. It is not your plane and you don't make the rules.
When somebody from the airline tells you to get off a plane, you get off the plane. That would have solved this problem very quickly. Take the $800, maybe even negotiate but this chaos could have been avoided. Of course it is inconvenient but very little about air travel is convenient.
United has a mess on its hands without a doubt and somewhere they crossed the line to forcible removal which was horrible judgment but at the same time, this guy had a personal responsibility that he didn't live up to in this case.
While I somewhat agree with you, I think dragging someone off the plane is not acceptable. Also, after the whole leggings drama - they may want to work on hiring a better PR department.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:16
Subject: Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here know any airline lobbyists?
I do
How do they plan to wiesil out of this catastrophe? I imagine they have a nack for turning just about everything to their advantage. They've been building "friendships" with politicians for decades, haven't they?
I can guess. They wil offer a new low-cost fare option and by buying that fare, you agree to be bumped if the flight is full. I'm sure passengers will be willing to take the risk to save a few $$. You're more likely to be delayed due to weather than overbookings anyway, by a long shot.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:16
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Hasn't rode
Could of drove
WTH?
You must be a bored grammar teacher on Spring Break. Go have a drink instead of monitoring message boards.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:15
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Since this whole thread is a groupthink exercise and because generally I believe it, i will take the other side.
1. Every ticket you buy comes with a disclaimer that they overbook.
2. They tried, as most flights to, to get people to take the deal to get off the flight.
3. No takers. They had to get the crew to the destination or they would have cancelled the flight and inconvenienced a hundred other people.
4. After no takers, they chose at random.
Could they have paid more or should they have paid more - YES. Without question.
That said, he bought a ticket with this condition baked in. Every ticket that anyone has ever bought has this condition. You are not flying private. It is not your plane and you don't make the rules.
When somebody from the airline tells you to get off a plane, you get off the plane. That would have solved this problem very quickly. Take the $800, maybe even negotiate but this chaos could have been avoided. Of course it is inconvenient but very little about air travel is convenient.
United has a mess on its hands without a doubt and somewhere they crossed the line to forcible removal which was horrible judgment but at the same time, this guy had a personal responsibility that he didn't live up to in this case.
1. Every ticket you buy comes with a disclaimer that they overbook.
2. They tried, as most flights to, to get people to take the deal to get off the flight.
3. No takers. They had to get the crew to the destination or they would have cancelled the flight and inconvenienced a hundred other people.
4. After no takers, they chose at random.
Could they have paid more or should they have paid more - YES. Without question.
That said, he bought a ticket with this condition baked in. Every ticket that anyone has ever bought has this condition. You are not flying private. It is not your plane and you don't make the rules.
When somebody from the airline tells you to get off a plane, you get off the plane. That would have solved this problem very quickly. Take the $800, maybe even negotiate but this chaos could have been avoided. Of course it is inconvenient but very little about air travel is convenient.
United has a mess on its hands without a doubt and somewhere they crossed the line to forcible removal which was horrible judgment but at the same time, this guy had a personal responsibility that he didn't live up to in this case.
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:14
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Hasn't rode
Could of drove
WTH?
Could of drove
WTH?
Anonymous
04/11/2017 13:14
Subject: Re:Don't fly United
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump should have the Feds investigate United for all kinds of different things, depose the executives multiple times for 8 hours each time and then charge them with felony perjury when their answers change slightly. The Feds do this all the time to companies they don't like.
Why hasn't Trump said something? Although I'm betting he hasn't rode commercial in years.
He hasn't rode commercial in years, but I'd prefer he deal with more important issues like North Korea. Let Dept of Transporation/FAA handle this.