The broken window is really weird. Who keeps a broken window for 7 months? Why didn’t any snow track inside with the snowy Colorado winter? They certainly had the money to fix it. It surprises me such a perfectionist and type A parent like Pat Ramsey would forget that detail. Wasn’t she showing off the house for the annual Christmas house tour (She gave a tour of that house the day before Christmas to neighborhood admirers)

Parents on the top floor

Anonymous wrote:Something nobody has mentioned that always makes me think Patsy obviously had a role here:

JB was found wearing way too large brand new underpants, like size 10. They were wrapped in the basement as a present for a relative. So. Someone opened a gift, knowing it was underwear - didn’t open any other gift - and put those underwear on her. After wiping her down. I mean, come on. And they found her paint tray and her other supplies to use. And nobody woke up. It’s not a huge house. This whole thing is inane.

It was a 7k sq ft home- I'd say that's pretty huge - and investigators have agreed its winding layout, multiple staircases and "hidden" rooms made it difficult to search. Kids were on the 2nd floor and parents on the 3rd.







The dad, who took a sleeping pill, would likely not have heard anything going on in the basement.

Something nobody has mentioned that always makes me think Patsy obviously had a role here:

JB was found wearing way too large brand new underpants, like size 10. They were wrapped in the basement as a present for a relative. So. Someone opened a gift, knowing it was underwear - didn’t open any other gift - and put those underwear on her. After wiping her down. I mean, come on. And they found her paint tray and her other supplies to use. And nobody woke up. It’s not a huge house. This whole thing is inane.

Anonymous wrote:I just went down this rabbit hole, and now finally understand why people are still fascinated as it is one of the strangest stories I've ever heard. If it were an outsider who committed the murder I find it hard to believe that there has not been enough DNA to find a match. Which leaves me to think that the DNA they did find was of the trace kind you find everywhere incidentally.

I had no opinion before, but after reading all the evidence I have the camp of people who believe Burke did it. I know there's not enough evidence for a court of law, but too many lines point to Burke in my mind.

1) His strange and emotionless behavior in the video interview with the psychologist. I know some kids show odd behavior but this was reallllly odd. My kid, at age 4, showed more distress when discussing her dead cat.
2) he previously hit his sister with a golf club hard enough to leave a scar, and a family friend said he was prone to anger issues
3) his scatolia and the fact that they found a candy box belonging to his sister with his feces smeared on it. This is not typical, healthy behavior for a 9yo
4) the pineapple bowl and clear glass had his prints on them and JonBenet had eaten fresh pineapple matching what was in the bowl
5) the toy train track marks on her body, the SA with the paintbrush handle, the strange and incompetent way her hands were bound all suggest a juvenile aggressor
6) I do not see how he could be cleared on the basis of DNA evidence when there wasn't enough DNA evidence to implicate anyone

The ransom note is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. If Burke did it, we can only conclude that Patsy wrote the note to deflect blame on an outsider. But why on earth is it so bizarre and rambling?

But your kid isn't on the spectrum, right? Pretty normal for a kid with HFASD.

Is it possible an outside person actually did it but the parents thought someone in the house did hence the staging?

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Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

I watched a tv show on Phroggers and it was terrifying! This one guy had been stalking a woman for almost a year and would sneak into her house, hide under her bed, and lie in wait for her to come home and go to sleep. He'd then sit and admire her while she slept and sneak out before she woke the next morning. It went on for months.

Another couple kept finding items disturbed in their home that they couldn't explain and at first thought the old owner/some random neighbor had a key and were doing to mess with them even though realtor assured them the locks had been changed before they moved in. They changed the locks again and still got the creepy feeling that someone had been in their space, so they set up cameras in each room and caught a phrogger. The guy would come out during the day when they left and enjoy the house. He hid himself in the evening before they got back from work. I think he lived in a portioned part of the basement or a small crawlspace/closet.

And everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there was a serial rapist in Boulder around that time who liked to break into the house while people were out and wait.

And I’ll add to your experience, I’ve seen tons of true crime where serial rapists and serial killers love to come into the house when no one is there with no intention of killing or raping, it’s part of their thrill… They keep ramping it up over weeks and months and it an escalates until they finally are able to rape or kill the victim. This is common.

Given that there was something like seven unlocked doors and windows, and they had never repaired the broken window for months earlier, and they didn’t set their alarm, this was just not concerned about security.

That would all be more compelling if patsy’s jacket fibers weren’t found all over each element of staging, including the garrote and pineapple bowl (which also contained burkes fingerprints), if she hadn’t written the ransom note (and the draft ransom note), if the murder hadn’t been conducted with materials from around the family home that only someone who lived there would really know where to find, if jonbenet didn’t have signs of prior sexual assault, if an abduction hadn’t been staged only to find the body in the house, if Burke hadn’t been heard on the 911 call despite parents claiming he was asleep, and so many other things that incriminate the family here.

People keep grasping to an intruder with no trace or a trace fragment of DNA and ignoring the Ramsey elephants in every room of that house.

There is no Ramsey smoking gun as much as you wish there was. Its all circumstantial. And ass in bumbling cops and it’s a mess.

I think the ransom note is a smoking gun. Why would an intruder say the daughter is safe and alive in order to get money (detailed at great length about specificity) then keep the daughter dead in the basement?

They would have brought a ransom note not sat writing it for 30 minutes. And then put notepad and pen neatly back in their places. Please.

Exactly. This was someone who knew who JB was and had likely been in the house before and could have taken the notepad then. If the theory can easily have holes poked in it, it’s not a smoking gun.

The ransom note says it’s from a group of individuals who represent a foreign faction (what criminal introduces themselves and who they represent) and states JB is alive, safe and unharmed and tries to barter her safe return for money. None of this makes sense with a dead JB kept in the house. Obviously, parents would’ve been freaked out an intruder was just in their home and may possibly be there and flee immediately with Burke. They called 911 and waited.

Anonymous wrote:The longest random note ever… on mom’s stationary…for a girl left killed in the basement.

People have screw loose if they don’t think the family did this.

It’s also interesting the ransom note details “group of individuals” as if this act was done by multiple people yet nobody mentions that part. The ransom note was obviously written by a collective and indeed a “group of individuals”

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Anonymous wrote:Is this why this case went on so long? The family members continuing to interject that it wasn't them? It was obviously them.

So, for all you “it was obviously them” posters, why haven’t they been arrested and charged?

The grand jury DID want to charge them after hearing all the evidence.

Well, the person who committed this act is likely bizarre, don’t you think?

I just went down this rabbit hole, and now finally understand why people are still fascinated as it is one of the strangest stories I've ever heard. If it were an outsider who committed the murder I find it hard to believe that there has not been enough DNA to find a match. Which leaves me to think that the DNA they did find was of the trace kind you find everywhere incidentally.

I had no opinion before, but after reading all the evidence I have the camp of people who believe Burke did it. I know there's not enough evidence for a court of law, but too many lines point to Burke in my mind.

1) His strange and emotionless behavior in the video interview with the psychologist. I know some kids show odd behavior but this was reallllly odd. My kid, at age 4, showed more distress when discussing her dead cat.
2) he previously hit his sister with a golf club hard enough to leave a scar, and a family friend said he was prone to anger issues
3) his scatolia and the fact that they found a candy box belonging to his sister with his feces smeared on it. This is not typical, healthy behavior for a 9yo
4) the pineapple bowl and clear glass had his prints on them and JonBenet had eaten fresh pineapple matching what was in the bowl
5) the toy train track marks on her body, the SA with the paintbrush handle, the strange and incompetent way her hands were bound all suggest a juvenile aggressor
6) I do not see how he could be cleared on the basis of DNA evidence when there wasn't enough DNA evidence to implicate anyone

The ransom note is one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. If Burke did it, we can only conclude that Patsy wrote the note to deflect blame on an outsider. But why on earth is it so bizarre and rambling?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this why this case went on so long? The family members continuing to interject that it wasn't them? It was obviously them.

So, for all you “it was obviously them” posters, why haven’t they been arrested and charged?

It was a bungled police investigation, lawyers right away, no dna, when they were still being actively investigated a rogue police chief decided to formally exonerate them. Another decided not to follow the grand jury indictment of them. Who tf knows. There are tons of cases where it’s known for years and years who did it and charges don’t happen or are decades later. Proves nothing at all.

Exactly. Proves nothing. But doesn’t stop people acting like they know for sure based on following some podcast.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this why this case went on so long? The family members continuing to interject that it wasn't them? It was obviously them.

So, for all you “it was obviously them” posters, why haven’t they been arrested and charged?

It was a bungled police investigation, lawyers right away, no dna, when they were still being actively investigated a rogue police chief decided to formally exonerate them. Another decided not to follow the grand jury indictment of them. Who tf knows. There are tons of cases where it’s known for years and years who did it and charges don’t happen or are decades later. Proves nothing at all.

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So, for all you “it was obviously them” posters, why haven’t they been arrested and charged?

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Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

I watched a tv show on Phroggers and it was terrifying! This one guy had been stalking a woman for almost a year and would sneak into her house, hide under her bed, and lie in wait for her to come home and go to sleep. He'd then sit and admire her while she slept and sneak out before she woke the next morning. It went on for months.

Another couple kept finding items disturbed in their home that they couldn't explain and at first thought the old owner/some random neighbor had a key and were doing to mess with them even though realtor assured them the locks had been changed before they moved in. They changed the locks again and still got the creepy feeling that someone had been in their space, so they set up cameras in each room and caught a phrogger. The guy would come out during the day when they left and enjoy the house. He hid himself in the evening before they got back from work. I think he lived in a portioned part of the basement or a small crawlspace/closet.

And everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there was a serial rapist in Boulder around that time who liked to break into the house while people were out and wait.

And I’ll add to your experience, I’ve seen tons of true crime where serial rapists and serial killers love to come into the house when no one is there with no intention of killing or raping, it’s part of their thrill… They keep ramping it up over weeks and months and it an escalates until they finally are able to rape or kill the victim. This is common.

Given that there was something like seven unlocked doors and windows, and they had never repaired the broken window for months earlier, and they didn’t set their alarm, this was just not concerned about security.

That would all be more compelling if patsy’s jacket fibers weren’t found all over each element of staging, including the garrote and pineapple bowl (which also contained burkes fingerprints), if she hadn’t written the ransom note (and the draft ransom note), if the murder hadn’t been conducted with materials from around the family home that only someone who lived there would really know where to find, if jonbenet didn’t have signs of prior sexual assault, if an abduction hadn’t been staged only to find the body in the house, if Burke hadn’t been heard on the 911 call despite parents claiming he was asleep, and so many other things that incriminate the family here.

People keep grasping to an intruder with no trace or a trace fragment of DNA and ignoring the Ramsey elephants in every room of that house.

There is no Ramsey smoking gun as much as you wish there was. Its all circumstantial. And ass in bumbling cops and it’s a mess.

The cops certainly bungled the investigation but yes the Ramseys fingerprints and fibers were all over each important piece of evidence in the timeline of jonbenets death. Even if the evidence is circumstantial, there’s actually a story to be made based on the evidence, as opposed to just saying “well, a door was unlocked (was it?) so it had to be an intruder who lingered for hours and then left without a trace and left zero evidence.”

They were items in their home. Of course there finger prints would be on things. It’s been 25 years or so. Nothing is going to happen. The police don’t care to solve this.

Their fingerprints were all over items related to her MURDER and coverup. If they’d been sleeping like they said, that wouldn’t be the case. God

Do you think fingerprints just disappear? Even the non murder items have fingerprints. This doesn’t suggest anything.