Anonymous wrote:After Jackson droned on and on about stupid minutia, the prosecution did a good job rehabilitating McCabe in a short time. No one else came out. She was shocked, confused, and upset. She texted with her family. She didn't avoid John's family or engaging with police because she did nothing wrong. It makes much more sense than a conspiracy.

Anonymous wrote:After Jackson droned on and on about stupid minutia, the prosecution did a good job rehabilitating McCabe in a short time. No one else came out. She was shocked, confused, and upset. She texted with her family. She didn't avoid John's family or engaging with police because she did nothing wrong. It makes much more sense than a conspiracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Odd that the weird post about money showed up just minutes after this post:


“I thought the questioning about why Jen didn’t just go and bang on the door to get a first responder to come outside and help until EMTs could get there was an excellent question. It seems as though it would have been obvious to attempt to get help from the brother-in-law right there inside the house.”

That was possibly his only good question.

There were a lot of good questions during the cross examination, quite a few without good answers.

Why the witness didn’t make use of every possible second to help her injured friend by getting the first responder who was right there in the house to come outside and start aid to the victim before the arrival of the ambulance is startling. Why wait around for extra minutes when someone who is trained in responding to emergencies was right there inside the house? It just doesn’t make logical sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Odd that the weird post about money showed up just minutes after this post:


“I thought the questioning about why Jen didn’t just go and bang on the door to get a first responder to come outside and help until EMTs could get there was an excellent question. It seems as though it would have been obvious to attempt to get help from the brother-in-law right there inside the house.”

That was possibly his only good question.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.

It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.

Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.

But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.

Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.

The lead investigator was literally fired he was that terrible. Do you know hard it is fire a cop?

He was not fired for any of the investigative actions he took on this case, and after FBI/DOJ investigation producing 3000+ pages of materials, there was ZERO evidence of a police coverup/corruption and ZERO evidence of third party culprits.

Proctor was fired for conduct unbecoming related to calling the defendant names in texts to family/friends on his private phone, and for driving his MSP vehicle after having consumed alcohol at lunch while on duty. The infractions he was fired for are infractions that never result in firing especially as first offenses - he otherwise has a dozen years of clean sheet and laudable investigations. He is most certainly going to get reinstated after review by the civil service appeals board. He was fired because the MSP was under enormous pressure by politicians and the FKR movement, not because he is a terrible investigator or even a bad cop.

Investigation isn't over. Hope Jen knows there's no Botox in federal prison!

Investigation IS over, the new US Attorney appointed by Trump made certain to release that information via other law enforcement agencies as she is limited to by DOJ regulations. It is over. IT IS OVER. The Feds are not coming to save Karen Read and you folks are deluded if you think the Feds would allow multiple trials on these charges against this woman if they had found any evidence whatsoever of third party culprits and a massive Commonwealth coverup to protect 'the real killers.'

Trump hates Massachusetts. Why on earth would he not order his DOJ to go after everyone RIGHT THIS MINUTE if there was a shred of evidence of a coverup and police corruption???

Unbelievably deluded people posting here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.

It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.

Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.

But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.

Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.

The lead investigator was literally fired he was that terrible. Do you know hard it is fire a cop?

He was not fired for any of the investigative actions he took on this case, and after FBI/DOJ investigation producing 3000+ pages of materials, there was ZERO evidence of a police coverup/corruption and ZERO evidence of third party culprits.

Proctor was fired for conduct unbecoming related to calling the defendant names in texts to family/friends on his private phone, and for driving his MSP vehicle after having consumed alcohol at lunch while on duty. The infractions he was fired for are infractions that never result in firing especially as first offenses - he otherwise has a dozen years of clean sheet and laudable investigations. He is most certainly going to get reinstated after review by the civil service appeals board. He was fired because the MSP was under enormous pressure by politicians and the FKR movement, not because he is a terrible investigator or even a bad cop.

You are incredibly biased.

Because I don't believe fantasies made up of whole cloth or pulled from the defendant's leaky balloon knot?

Please.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.

It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.

Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.

But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.

Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.

The lead investigator was literally fired he was that terrible. Do you know hard it is fire a cop?

He was not fired for any of the investigative actions he took on this case, and after FBI/DOJ investigation producing 3000+ pages of materials, there was ZERO evidence of a police coverup/corruption and ZERO evidence of third party culprits.

Proctor was fired for conduct unbecoming related to calling the defendant names in texts to family/friends on his private phone, and for driving his MSP vehicle after having consumed alcohol at lunch while on duty. The infractions he was fired for are infractions that never result in firing especially as first offenses - he otherwise has a dozen years of clean sheet and laudable investigations. He is most certainly going to get reinstated after review by the civil service appeals board. He was fired because the MSP was under enormous pressure by politicians and the FKR movement, not because he is a terrible investigator or even a bad cop.

Investigation isn't over. Hope Jen knows there's no Botox in federal prison!

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?

If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.

There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.

There are other possible scenarios. It’s too bad that the investigators didn’t knock on the doors of neighbors that morning and ask to collect camera footage. That could have been useful in seeing the various vehicles which drove up and down the street and the timestamps.

Is this something they don’t do in Massachusetts? I know in the Waukegan parade case the camera footage that law enforcement was able to collect was very helpful to the prosecution’s case.

The neighbor across the street with the best vantage point was the chief of police.

And he never came out of his house either.

Right, because it was pitch dark in the howling wind with sideways blowing snow in blizzard conditions and the first responders rolled without sirens as is the custom under such conditions at such times where there is no traffic to warn with sirens and neighborhoods full of sleeping people who don't need to be disturbed.

The people on Fairview Road - law enforcement residents and regular Joes and Jodies alike - were all sleeping snug as bugs in rugs that morning with no reason to come out of their houses.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.

It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.

Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.

But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.

Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.

The lead investigator was literally fired he was that terrible. Do you know hard it is fire a cop?

He was not fired for any of the investigative actions he took on this case, and after FBI/DOJ investigation producing 3000+ pages of materials, there was ZERO evidence of a police coverup/corruption and ZERO evidence of third party culprits.

Proctor was fired for conduct unbecoming related to calling the defendant names in texts to family/friends on his private phone, and for driving his MSP vehicle after having consumed alcohol at lunch while on duty. The infractions he was fired for are infractions that never result in firing especially as first offenses - he otherwise has a dozen years of clean sheet and laudable investigations. He is most certainly going to get reinstated after review by the civil service appeals board. He was fired because the MSP was under enormous pressure by politicians and the FKR movement, not because he is a terrible investigator or even a bad cop.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?

If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.

There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.

There are other possible scenarios. It’s too bad that the investigators didn’t knock on the doors of neighbors that morning and ask to collect camera footage. That could have been useful in seeing the various vehicles which drove up and down the street and the timestamps.

Is this something they don’t do in Massachusetts? I know in the Waukegan parade case the camera footage that law enforcement was able to collect was very helpful to the prosecution’s case.

The neighbor across the street with the best vantage point was the chief of police.

And he never came out of his house either.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.

It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.

Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.

But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.

Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.

The lead investigator was literally fired he was that terrible. Do you know hard it is fire a cop?

He was not fired for any of the investigative actions he took on this case, and after FBI/DOJ investigation producing 3000+ pages of materials, there was ZERO evidence of a police coverup/corruption and ZERO evidence of third party culprits.

Proctor was fired for conduct unbecoming related to calling the defendant names in texts to family/friends on his private phone, and for driving his MSP vehicle after having consumed alcohol at lunch while on duty. The infractions he was fired for are infractions that never result in firing especially as first offenses - he otherwise has a dozen years of clean sheet and laudable investigations. He is most certainly going to get reinstated after review by the civil service appeals board. He was fired because the MSP was under enormous pressure by politicians and the FKR movement, not because he is a terrible investigator or even a bad cop.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?

There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.

John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.

Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?

If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.

There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.

There are other possible scenarios. It’s too bad that the investigators didn’t knock on the doors of neighbors that morning and ask to collect camera footage. That could have been useful in seeing the various vehicles which drove up and down the street and the timestamps.

Is this something they don’t do in Massachusetts? I know in the Waukegan parade case the camera footage that law enforcement was able to collect was very helpful to the prosecution’s case.

The neighbor across the street with the best vantage point was the chief of police.