Anonymous
08/05/2023 12:09
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
The Big 10 & Big 12 have taken in their share of the homeless waifs. The Ivy League must be shaking in their boots for fear that someone will guilt them into offering Cal & Stanford a bowl of porridge & a place to play crappy football.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 12:08
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The B1G has won. It’s over. It has the Northeast metropolitan area… the entire Midwest and Chicago plus the entire West Coast. Outside of ND there are zero reasons to add. The other conferences will make less money but need to be in existence for the B1G schools to keep their money without political fireworks.
B1G's primary media partner Fox has also won, both in terms of eyeballs and $.
Will that translate into nattys? Depends if that $ (including NIL) can overcome climate and cultural conditions that had favored the SEC (and Clemson/FSU) in the BCS era. Texas and Oklahoma won, but now they are in the SEC. The only non-Southern teams to have won were USC and Ohio State.
If B1G/Fox hadn't done this, we would have been subjected to another 20 years of ESPN/SEC/Finebaum telling us "it just means more". Hope that's not the case in the new era.
And that's only football. B12 got stronger in basketball, but college basketball is withering, with more NBA prospects figuring out that G-League or Europe/Australia is a better place to spend that 1 year before turning pro. Basketball's charm is in March Madness, but if Fox/ESPN complete the reverse takeover through football, the Cinderella teams are going to become fewer and fewer.
Also, unless donors figure out how to fund the non-revenue sports more effectively via NIL, etc., our US olympic teams are going to suffer in the future, because many of those summer sports were supported by PAC schools. Maybe they should just turn Stanford and Cal into a USOC megafacility to deal with this.
Finally, no one has commented on how this will impact Title IX, because again many women liked playing in the PAC. Sure, the B1G and SEC will spend more now on women's sports, but to what end?
It's all about football because of the $, but the impact will be widespread.
If football can get half the players to identify as women for a bump up in pay title IX is kaput.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 12:04
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:look at UMD ratings when they aren’t playing Ohio or MichiganAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The B1G has won. It’s over. It has the Northeast metropolitan area… the entire Midwest and Chicago plus the entire West Coast. Outside of ND there are zero reasons to add. The other conferences will make less money but need to be in existence for the B1G schools to keep their money without political fireworks.
Two of the three regions you list do not care about CFB. Once subscriptions matter more than carriage fees, we’ll see how happy they are to carry small markets and apathetic markets
Oregon, USC, Maryland and Penn State are already top 20 in viewership .
Rutgers plays the same teams
Rated 58.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:59
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:The Berkeley campus has reserved parking spots for Nobel Prize winners. Perhaps now they will add parking spots just for football players.
Not sure if true, but I just heard a rumor that Cal put up a for rent sign on their football stadium.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:56
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
The Berkeley campus has reserved parking spots for Nobel Prize winners. Perhaps now they will add parking spots just for football players.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:55
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
The B1G has won. It’s over. It has the Northeast metropolitan area… the entire Midwest and Chicago plus the entire West Coast. Outside of ND there are zero reasons to add. The other conferences will make less money but need to be in existence for the B1G schools to keep their money without political fireworks.
B1G's primary media partner Fox has also won, both in terms of eyeballs and $.
Will that translate into nattys? Depends if that $ (including NIL) can overcome climate and cultural conditions that had favored the SEC (and Clemson/FSU) in the BCS era. Texas and Oklahoma won, but now they are in the SEC. The only non-Southern teams to have won were USC and Ohio State.
If B1G/Fox hadn't done this, we would have been subjected to another 20 years of ESPN/SEC/Finebaum telling us "it just means more". Hope that's not the case in the new era.
And that's only football. B12 got stronger in basketball, but college basketball is withering, with more NBA prospects figuring out that G-League or Europe/Australia is a better place to spend that 1 year before turning pro. Basketball's charm is in March Madness, but if Fox/ESPN complete the reverse takeover through football, the Cinderella teams are going to become fewer and fewer.
Also, unless donors figure out how to fund the non-revenue sports more effectively via NIL, etc., our US olympic teams are going to suffer in the future, because many of those summer sports were supported by PAC schools. Maybe they should just turn Stanford and Cal into a USOC megafacility to deal with this.
Finally, no one has commented on how this will impact Title IX, because again many women liked playing in the PAC. Sure, the B1G and SEC will spend more now on women's sports, but to what end?
It's all about football because of the $, but the impact will be widespread.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:53
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
look at UMD ratings when they aren’t playing Ohio or MichiganAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The B1G has won. It’s over. It has the Northeast metropolitan area… the entire Midwest and Chicago plus the entire West Coast. Outside of ND there are zero reasons to add. The other conferences will make less money but need to be in existence for the B1G schools to keep their money without political fireworks.
Two of the three regions you list do not care about CFB. Once subscriptions matter more than carriage fees, we’ll see how happy they are to carry small markets and apathetic markets
Oregon, USC, Maryland and Penn State are already top 20 in viewership .
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:51
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:39
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The B1G has won. It’s over. It has the Northeast metropolitan area… the entire Midwest and Chicago plus the entire West Coast. Outside of ND there are zero reasons to add. The other conferences will make less money but need to be in existence for the B1G schools to keep their money without political fireworks.
Two of the three regions you list do not care about CFB. Once subscriptions matter more than carriage fees, we’ll see how happy they are to carry small markets and apathetic markets
Oregon, USC, Maryland and Penn State are already top 20 in viewership .
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:34
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
FSU understands that under the current ACC payout through 2036, ACC football will be secondary to the Big Ten Conference, The SEC, and the Big 12 Conference.
The President of Stanford University is fuming over the recent developments and the lack of leadership in the Pac-12.
There are now calls to redo the 12 team College Football Playoff. This might force Notre Dame into a conference if it wants to remain in the running for a national championship in football.
The President of Stanford University is fuming over the recent developments and the lack of leadership in the Pac-12.
There are now calls to redo the 12 team College Football Playoff. This might force Notre Dame into a conference if it wants to remain in the running for a national championship in football.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:21
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
The B1G has won. It’s over. It has the Northeast metropolitan area… the entire Midwest and Chicago plus the entire West Coast. Outside of ND there are zero reasons to add. The other conferences will make less money but need to be in existence for the B1G schools to keep their money without political fireworks.
Two of the three regions you list do not care about CFB. Once subscriptions matter more than carriage fees, we’ll see how happy they are to carry small markets and apathetic markets
Anonymous
08/05/2023 11:18
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame's 2024-2025 football schedule:
Texas A&M (SEC)
Northern Illinois
Purdue (Big Ten)
Miami of Ohio
Louisville (ACC)
Stanford on October 12, 2024 (homeless--will Stanford even have a football team ?)
Georgia Tech (ACC)
Navy
FSU (ACC)
Virginia (ACC)
USC (Big Ten)
U Miami (ACC)
In my view, Notre Dame is an ACC football team. Notre Dame may have to rethink its series with a homeless Stanford.
As onerous as the travel will be, maybe Stanford needs to consider applying for membership in the ACC.
As long shots go, this is the path FSU and Clemson should be pursuing. Adding Stanford and Cal and getting them to recruit Notre Dame such that the GOR can be renegotiated. 3 payout tiers with ND getting whatever they need to join, FSU and Clemson getting ~60, and the rest (including Stanford and Cal) remaining about the same.
Why would other ACC members agree? Duke has to be looking at Stanford and UNC/UVA/GT at Cal and realizing there are worse thing than the ACC
For exactly that reason- if FSU and Clemson find a loophole to leave the ACC, they may be left out when the music stops. They need to do whatever they can to strengthen the ACC.
The PAC-10 had the opportunity to add Texas and Oklahoma. They declined. How did that work out?
FSU has been trying for years, if there was a loophole, they’d be gone. Likewise, when the GoR expires, they are gone even with unequal distribution (see Texas and the Big 12).
Anonymous
08/05/2023 10:53
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame's 2024-2025 football schedule:
Texas A&M (SEC)
Northern Illinois
Purdue (Big Ten)
Miami of Ohio
Louisville (ACC)
Stanford on October 12, 2024 (homeless--will Stanford even have a football team ?)
Georgia Tech (ACC)
Navy
FSU (ACC)
Virginia (ACC)
USC (Big Ten)
U Miami (ACC)
In my view, Notre Dame is an ACC football team. Notre Dame may have to rethink its series with a homeless Stanford.
As onerous as the travel will be, maybe Stanford needs to consider applying for membership in the ACC.
As long shots go, this is the path FSU and Clemson should be pursuing. Adding Stanford and Cal and getting them to recruit Notre Dame such that the GOR can be renegotiated. 3 payout tiers with ND getting whatever they need to join, FSU and Clemson getting ~60, and the rest (including Stanford and Cal) remaining about the same.
Why would other ACC members agree? Duke has to be looking at Stanford and UNC/UVA/GT at Cal and realizing there are worse thing than the ACC
For exactly that reason- if FSU and Clemson find a loophole to leave the ACC, they may be left out when the music stops. They need to do whatever they can to strengthen the ACC.
The PAC-10 had the opportunity to add Texas and Oklahoma. They declined. How did that work out?
Anonymous
08/05/2023 10:50
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous
08/05/2023 10:46
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
The B1G has won. It’s over. It has the Northeast metropolitan area… the entire Midwest and Chicago plus the entire West Coast. Outside of ND there are zero reasons to add. The other conferences will make less money but need to be in existence for the B1G schools to keep their money without political fireworks.