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Anonymous wrote:Let me make myself clear while there is always room for improvement MCPS is a dam great school system.

If you don’t like it move I’m tired of the Maga and Noms of Liberty Nazis stupidity.

All of mine six of them went through MCPS all of their peers attended college all of their peers have jobs all of their peers are intelligent kind human beings .

Of course there are outliers we serve over 160,000 students . MCPS can not effectively serve our diverse population when we have insanity from Nazi orgs like Moms of Liberty interjecting hate and dumbing down of course work.

Parents are the problem not the schools.

WOW! It's obvious that you're an MCPS employee and you need to quit. You don't have coherent mind, objective analysis and a heart for parents or kids. Your blind allegiance to the status quo is toxic.

If that poster really is an MCPS employee, that’s terrifying. That post has virtually no punctuation, misspellings, no logic, etc.

Anonymous wrote:Let me make myself clear while there is always room for improvement MCPS is a dam great school system.

If you don’t like it move I’m tired of the Maga and Noms of Liberty Nazis stupidity.

All of mine six of them went through MCPS all of their peers attended college all of their peers have jobs all of their peers are intelligent kind human beings .

Of course there are outliers we serve over 160,000 students . MCPS can not effectively serve our diverse population when we have insanity from Nazi orgs like Moms of Liberty interjecting hate and dumbing down of course work.

Parents are the problem not the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me make myself clear while there is always room for improvement MCPS is a dam great school system.

If you don’t like it move I’m tired of the Maga and Noms of Liberty Nazis stupidity.

All of mine six of them went through MCPS all of their peers attended college all of their peers have jobs all of their peers are intelligent kind human beings .

Of course there are outliers we serve over 160,000 students . MCPS can not effectively serve our diverse population when we have insanity from Nazi orgs like Moms of Liberty interjecting hate and dumbing down of course work.

Parents are the problem not the schools.

WOW! It's obvious that you're an MCPS employee and you need to quit. You don't have coherent mind, objective analysis and a heart for parents or kids. Your blind allegiance to the status quo is toxic.

Anonymous wrote:Let me make myself clear while there is always room for improvement MCPS is a dam great school system.

If you don’t like it move I’m tired of the Maga and Noms of Liberty Nazis stupidity.

All of mine six of them went through MCPS all of their peers attended college all of their peers have jobs all of their peers are intelligent kind human beings .

Of course there are outliers we serve over 160,000 students . MCPS can not effectively serve our diverse population when we have insanity from Nazi orgs like Moms of Liberty interjecting hate and dumbing down of course work.

Parents are the problem not the schools.

Anonymous wrote:Let me make myself clear while there is always room for improvement MCPS is a dam great school system.

If you don’t like it move I’m tired of the Maga and Noms of Liberty Nazis stupidity.

All of mine six of them went through MCPS all of their peers attended college all of their peers have jobs all of their peers are intelligent kind human beings .

Of course there are outliers we serve over 160,000 students . MCPS can not effectively serve our diverse population when we have insanity from Nazi orgs like Moms of Liberty interjecting hate and dumbing down of course work.

Parents are the problem not the schools.

Anonymous wrote:Let me make myself clear while there is always room for improvement MCPS is a dam great school system.

If you don’t like it move I’m tired of the Maga and Noms of Liberty Nazis stupidity.

All of mine six of them went through MCPS all of their peers attended college all of their peers have jobs all of their peers are intelligent kind human beings .

Of course there are outliers we serve over 160,000 students . MCPS can not effectively serve our diverse population when we have insanity from Nazi orgs like Moms of Liberty interjecting hate and dumbing down of course work.

Parents are the problem not the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, how many kids are honestly going behind calc BC by their senior year? That’s so incredibly rare and you’re acting as though it’s the norm.

I just did some searching, and the consensus across 7-8 different sites I checked is that only about 20% of American high school students even take Calculus.

Incidentally, I did come across several reports from legitimate sites and university websites warning about premature pushes into advanced math.

This is a very DCUM problem. Clearly students are getting into universities without rushing to take BC Calc. I think we can all calm down a bit about this.

This is a DCUM message board so clearly it impacts some of our kids who want to major in math or science in college and go to a competitive college, even if it’s UMD.

And I’m sure they will. So what’s the problem, exactly? If your child goes to MCPS, I suspect you’re happy they offer so many advanced Math classes. If your child attends private, then it’s likely they are still on track to take Calc before graduation (and is therefore still “ahead.”) I’m not seeing the problem.

And if they aren’t on track to take Calc, then they have good company and will still get into colleges.

MCPS does not offer more advanced high school math courses than top private schools.

We have proven this time and again by posting links to Landon, Holton, GDS, and others in this thread.

So the premise of this debate is simply false.

I think the public/private math debate is ridiculous. My kids went to public (MCPS), so I can’t speak directly about private. My impression is that at lower levels, private math instruction is generally stronger (although it probably varies across individual schools). Further, I think that both public and private schools offer strong upper level options for top math students. That being said, technically, I think MCPS does probably offer more advanced math courses IN THE MAGNETS, based on earlier references to those top privates combining to offer a small combined class in Multivariable Calculus and Differential Equations. The magnets have classes that go beyond that.
https://mbhs.edu/departments/magnet/courses_math.php

I agree on the magnet programs. But that’s to be expected.

To bolster your point about strong private school math instruction: kids from my daughter’s K-8 get into those magnet programs every year.

Kinda silly to do private and then mcps. Yes, they do get in and have to play catch up in math.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, how many kids are honestly going behind calc BC by their senior year? That’s so incredibly rare and you’re acting as though it’s the norm.

I just did some searching, and the consensus across 7-8 different sites I checked is that only about 20% of American high school students even take Calculus.

Incidentally, I did come across several reports from legitimate sites and university websites warning about premature pushes into advanced math.

This is a very DCUM problem. Clearly students are getting into universities without rushing to take BC Calc. I think we can all calm down a bit about this.

This is a DCUM message board so clearly it impacts some of our kids who want to major in math or science in college and go to a competitive college, even if it’s UMD.

And I’m sure they will. So what’s the problem, exactly? If your child goes to MCPS, I suspect you’re happy they offer so many advanced Math classes. If your child attends private, then it’s likely they are still on track to take Calc before graduation (and is therefore still “ahead.”) I’m not seeing the problem.

And if they aren’t on track to take Calc, then they have good company and will still get into colleges.

MCPS does not offer more advanced high school math courses than top private schools.

We have proven this time and again by posting links to Landon, Holton, GDS, and others in this thread.

So the premise of this debate is simply false.

I think the public/private math debate is ridiculous. My kids went to public (MCPS), so I can’t speak directly about private. My impression is that at lower levels, private math instruction is generally stronger (although it probably varies across individual schools). Further, I think that both public and private schools offer strong upper level options for top math students. That being said, technically, I think MCPS does probably offer more advanced math courses IN THE MAGNETS, based on earlier references to those top privates combining to offer a small combined class in Multivariable Calculus and Differential Equations. The magnets have classes that go beyond that.
https://mbhs.edu/departments/magnet/courses_math.php

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, how many kids are honestly going behind calc BC by their senior year? That’s so incredibly rare and you’re acting as though it’s the norm.

I just did some searching, and the consensus across 7-8 different sites I checked is that only about 20% of American high school students even take Calculus.

Incidentally, I did come across several reports from legitimate sites and university websites warning about premature pushes into advanced math.

This is a very DCUM problem. Clearly students are getting into universities without rushing to take BC Calc. I think we can all calm down a bit about this.

This is a DCUM message board so clearly it impacts some of our kids who want to major in math or science in college and go to a competitive college, even if it’s UMD.

And I’m sure they will. So what’s the problem, exactly? If your child goes to MCPS, I suspect you’re happy they offer so many advanced Math classes. If your child attends private, then it’s likely they are still on track to take Calc before graduation (and is therefore still “ahead.”) I’m not seeing the problem.

And if they aren’t on track to take Calc, then they have good company and will still get into colleges.

The discussion is about MCPS. And, certain majors for UMD and other schools are extremely competitive, so they absolutely need Calculus in HS.

How many times do we have to tell you that taking Algebra in 8th grade still puts a kid on track for calc in high school?

If a child has the ability - which can be demonstrated by assessments - why shouldn’t they be able to take Algebra in 6th grade? Students will only be able to achieve the maximum level MCPS provides access to.

It may not be convenient for MCPS when a child demonstrates a unique gift in a subject area. However, should that child’s gift be squashed so he/she can fit in with the middle 50%?

Students can only rise up to the expectations and opportunities MCPS sets for them.

Do we need to remind you again of the many studies showing that over-acceleration in math can be detrimental, even for kids who understand the material?

I also seriously doubt there’s more than a very select few kids who truly can handle Algebra in 6th grade.

If the focus of MCPS was to teach students at their own pace, more students would be ready.

My child took Algebra in 6th grade but I had to advocate for his testing and advancement in elementary for him to have the opportunity. He was an A student in math who eventually did go to a private with a STEM program so he could receive higher acceleration than his MCPS high school offered.

Being able to demonstrate his unique gifts in math and science with his performance in high level classes, my son received competitive college offers and academic scholarships.

The MCPS attitude was to put up roadblocks to slow him down to fit in with the middle 50%. The private model was to let him shine and offer classes even if only a few students were in the class.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, how many kids are honestly going behind calc BC by their senior year? That’s so incredibly rare and you’re acting as though it’s the norm.

I just did some searching, and the consensus across 7-8 different sites I checked is that only about 20% of American high school students even take Calculus.

Incidentally, I did come across several reports from legitimate sites and university websites warning about premature pushes into advanced math.

This is a very DCUM problem. Clearly students are getting into universities without rushing to take BC Calc. I think we can all calm down a bit about this.

This is a DCUM message board so clearly it impacts some of our kids who want to major in math or science in college and go to a competitive college, even if it’s UMD.

And I’m sure they will. So what’s the problem, exactly? If your child goes to MCPS, I suspect you’re happy they offer so many advanced Math classes. If your child attends private, then it’s likely they are still on track to take Calc before graduation (and is therefore still “ahead.”) I’m not seeing the problem.

And if they aren’t on track to take Calc, then they have good company and will still get into colleges.

MCPS does not offer more advanced high school math courses than top private schools.

We have proven this time and again by posting links to Landon, Holton, GDS, and others in this thread.

So the premise of this debate is simply false.

I think the public/private math debate is ridiculous. My kids went to public (MCPS), so I can’t speak directly about private. My impression is that at lower levels, private math instruction is generally stronger (although it probably varies across individual schools). Further, I think that both public and private schools offer strong upper level options for top math students. That being said, technically, I think MCPS does probably offer more advanced math courses IN THE MAGNETS, based on earlier references to those top privates combining to offer a small combined class in Multivariable Calculus and Differential Equations. The magnets have classes that go beyond that.
https://mbhs.edu/departments/magnet/courses_math.php

I agree on the magnet programs. But that’s to be expected.

To bolster your point about strong private school math instruction: kids from my daughter’s K-8 get into those magnet programs every year.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, how many kids are honestly going behind calc BC by their senior year? That’s so incredibly rare and you’re acting as though it’s the norm.

I just did some searching, and the consensus across 7-8 different sites I checked is that only about 20% of American high school students even take Calculus.

Incidentally, I did come across several reports from legitimate sites and university websites warning about premature pushes into advanced math.

This is a very DCUM problem. Clearly students are getting into universities without rushing to take BC Calc. I think we can all calm down a bit about this.

This is a DCUM message board so clearly it impacts some of our kids who want to major in math or science in college and go to a competitive college, even if it’s UMD.

And I’m sure they will. So what’s the problem, exactly? If your child goes to MCPS, I suspect you’re happy they offer so many advanced Math classes. If your child attends private, then it’s likely they are still on track to take Calc before graduation (and is therefore still “ahead.”) I’m not seeing the problem.

And if they aren’t on track to take Calc, then they have good company and will still get into colleges.

The discussion is about MCPS. And, certain majors for UMD and other schools are extremely competitive, so they absolutely need Calculus in HS.

How many times do we have to tell you that taking Algebra in 8th grade still puts a kid on track for calc in high school?

If a child has the ability - which can be demonstrated by assessments - why shouldn’t they be able to take Algebra in 6th grade? Students will only be able to achieve the maximum level MCPS provides access to.

It may not be convenient for MCPS when a child demonstrates a unique gift in a subject area. However, should that child’s gift be squashed so he/she can fit in with the middle 50%?

Students can only rise up to the expectations and opportunities MCPS sets for them.

Do we need to remind you again of the many studies showing that over-acceleration in math can be detrimental, even for kids who understand the material?

I also seriously doubt there’s more than a very select few kids who truly can handle Algebra in 6th grade.

If the focus of MCPS was to teach students at their own pace, more students would be ready.

My child took Algebra in 6th grade but I had to advocate for his testing and advancement in elementary for him to have the opportunity. He was an A student in math who eventually did go to a private with a STEM program so he could receive higher acceleration than his MCPS high school offered.

Being able to demonstrate his unique gifts in math and science with his performance in high level classes, my son received competitive college offers and academic scholarships.

The MCPS attitude was to put up roadblocks to slow him down to fit in with the middle 50%. The private model was to let him shine and offer classes even if only a few students were in the class.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally, how many kids are honestly going behind calc BC by their senior year? That’s so incredibly rare and you’re acting as though it’s the norm.

I just did some searching, and the consensus across 7-8 different sites I checked is that only about 20% of American high school students even take Calculus.

Incidentally, I did come across several reports from legitimate sites and university websites warning about premature pushes into advanced math.

This is a very DCUM problem. Clearly students are getting into universities without rushing to take BC Calc. I think we can all calm down a bit about this.

This is a DCUM message board so clearly it impacts some of our kids who want to major in math or science in college and go to a competitive college, even if it’s UMD.

And I’m sure they will. So what’s the problem, exactly? If your child goes to MCPS, I suspect you’re happy they offer so many advanced Math classes. If your child attends private, then it’s likely they are still on track to take Calc before graduation (and is therefore still “ahead.”) I’m not seeing the problem.

And if they aren’t on track to take Calc, then they have good company and will still get into colleges.

The discussion is about MCPS. And, certain majors for UMD and other schools are extremely competitive, so they absolutely need Calculus in HS.

How many times do we have to tell you that taking Algebra in 8th grade still puts a kid on track for calc in high school?

If a child has the ability - which can be demonstrated by assessments - why shouldn’t they be able to take Algebra in 6th grade? Students will only be able to achieve the maximum level MCPS provides access to.

It may not be convenient for MCPS when a child demonstrates a unique gift in a subject area. However, should that child’s gift be squashed so he/she can fit in with the middle 50%?

Students can only rise up to the expectations and opportunities MCPS sets for them.

Do we need to remind you again of the many studies showing that over-acceleration in math can be detrimental, even for kids who understand the material?

I also seriously doubt there’s more than a very select few kids who truly can handle Algebra in 6th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Not necessarily PP. I needed more time to get math. I needed my teacher to spend the majority of the class showing us how to solve problem. Then I needed the equivalent of another class to do some problems together and then on my own. Class didn't work that way so I'd go to my teacher at lunch to get this extra help. I had an excellent teacher for algebra 1 and 2.

Now everything is auto graded on the app's and the teachers don't review the assignments. They might get a dozen or so problems before they move on to the next topic. Teacher does a 5-10 minute lecture and then they work on problems. Then they have a lot of free classes for kids to do catch up on the assignments they didn't do. Its nothing like how we were taught.

This was at a private school. I sent my kid to a public ES and it left a lot to be desired so I switched him to a private school where he could get the help he needed (he needed help in math like I did).

And, that makes sense. We did private early on, left for MCPS, then looked at privates again but didn't find one that was the right fit/cost. If my child was struggling in academics I'd probably do private like we did early on as I don't think MCPS is good with kids who are doing ok but struggling as those are the ones who really get lost/not a lot of help. Or, even for mild special needs. Our ES focuses on the kids who have the most severe SN so the kids who still needed support/IEP's often didn't get what they needed for lack of staffing. Smart kids will do ok most anywhere.

You hit the nail on the head. My gifted DS has done fine..his writing is not as good as it could be but it's sufficient- I have barely worked with him. My DD on the other hand who is above average intellectually but has some learning and attention issues is getting a subpar education. The school could care less because she is not severe in their eyes and so she gets very limited meaningful support at school. It is a constant effort on my behalf to make sure she has functional academic skills. I should not have to hire a lawyer and advocate and have her privately evaluated. I shouldn't have to constantly tutor her. If I didn't intervene, I doubt she would be reading and writing at all - hypothetically, if I hadn't done anything, by 4th grade when she would be 2 years below grade level- maybe mcps would give her an IEP and give her a couple hours of weekly support- she would basically be behind forever, feel like she was not smart, and the neural pathways for reading would close- and it would be that much harder to teach her each successive year. So I do this shitty juggling act. And it makes me really mad for all the other kids who don't have the resources to be able to do what I do for her.
Talk about inequity .

+1000 MCPS / Dr. McKnight / BOE have clearly shown their agenda for SN students. They hired a lawyer who has a long track history of litigation with parents to be the new Associate Superintendent for Special Education. MCPS has an unlimited budget to fight parents so students are not properly evaluated and IEPS are not fully implemented. MCPS has also left many Special Education jobs empty. They pay such a low salary for Special Education Teachers, Para Educators, Occupational Therapists, Speech Therapists, School Psychologists, etc. that it’s difficult to attract people for these jobs. The staff that are in MCPS have seen their workload increased while they try to cover for the vacancies.

MCPS has lost their focus on the needs of students. Education and student learning is not the priority.

MCPS did not leave special education jobs open. There were not people to fill said jobs. MCPS is offering an 18% hourly bump for ESY to get people to teach. And the Associate Superintendent for Special Education stated publicist a board meeting that space for private/special placements was at a premium. That didn’t mean there were kids who didn’t need the placement or didn’t qualify, it just meant the placement wasn’t available.

MCPS has problems just like every other school district but trust it better than many.

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Anonymous wrote:Not necessarily PP. I needed more time to get math. I needed my teacher to spend the majority of the class showing us how to solve problem. Then I needed the equivalent of another class to do some problems together and then on my own. Class didn't work that way so I'd go to my teacher at lunch to get this extra help. I had an excellent teacher for algebra 1 and 2.

Now everything is auto graded on the app's and the teachers don't review the assignments. They might get a dozen or so problems before they move on to the next topic. Teacher does a 5-10 minute lecture and then they work on problems. Then they have a lot of free classes for kids to do catch up on the assignments they didn't do. Its nothing like how we were taught.

This was at a private school. I sent my kid to a public ES and it left a lot to be desired so I switched him to a private school where he could get the help he needed (he needed help in math like I did).

And, that makes sense. We did private early on, left for MCPS, then looked at privates again but didn't find one that was the right fit/cost. If my child was struggling in academics I'd probably do private like we did early on as I don't think MCPS is good with kids who are doing ok but struggling as those are the ones who really get lost/not a lot of help. Or, even for mild special needs. Our ES focuses on the kids who have the most severe SN so the kids who still needed support/IEP's often didn't get what they needed for lack of staffing. Smart kids will do ok most anywhere.

You hit the nail on the head. My gifted DS has done fine..his writing is not as good as it could be but it's sufficient- I have barely worked with him. My DD on the other hand who is above average intellectually but has some learning and attention issues is getting a subpar education. The school could care less because she is not severe in their eyes and so she gets very limited meaningful support at school. It is a constant effort on my behalf to make sure she has functional academic skills. I should not have to hire a lawyer and advocate and have her privately evaluated. I shouldn't have to constantly tutor her. If I didn't intervene, I doubt she would be reading and writing at all - hypothetically, if I hadn't done anything, by 4th grade when she would be 2 years below grade level- maybe mcps would give her an IEP and give her a couple hours of weekly support- she would basically be behind forever, feel like she was not smart, and the neural pathways for reading would close- and it would be that much harder to teach her each successive year. So I do this shitty juggling act. And it makes me really mad for all the other kids who don't have the resources to be able to do what I do for her.
Talk about inequity .

+1000 MCPS / Dr. McKnight / BOE have clearly shown their agenda for SN students. They hired a lawyer who has a long track history of litigation with parents to be the new Associate Superintendent for Special Education. MCPS has an unlimited budget to fight parents so students are not properly evaluated and IEPS are not fully implemented. MCPS has also left many Special Education jobs empty. They pay such a low salary for Special Education Teachers, Para Educators, Occupational Therapists, Speech Therapists, School Psychologists, etc. that it’s difficult to attract people for these jobs. The staff that are in MCPS have seen their workload increased while they try to cover for the vacancies.

MCPS has lost their focus on the needs of students. Education and student learning is not the priority.

MCPS did not leave special education jobs open. There were not people to fill said jobs. MCPS is offering an 18% hourly bump for ESY to get people to teach. And the Associate Superintendent for Special Education stated publicist a board meeting that space for private/special placements was at a premium. That didn’t mean there were kids who didn’t need the placement or didn’t qualify, it just meant the placement wasn’t available.

MCPS has problems just like every other school district but trust it better than many.

I hope you aren’t an educator. That post is nearly incoherent.