Anonymous
Post 12/04/2021 00:23     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to gun availability. It might make everyone feel better to have someone to blame - the parents, the school, the video games. whatever. Without the gun, this could not have happened. It’s time to stop avoiding the real issue and start moving into a sane future. It should not be so easy to own a gun.


What does not easy mean to you?
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2021 00:07     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
It all comes down to gun availability. It might make everyone feel better to have someone to blame - the parents, the school, the video games. whatever. Without the gun, this could not have happened. It’s time to stop avoiding the real issue and start moving into a sane future. It should not be so easy to own a gun.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2021 00:02     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
In the interview above, LeDuff details letters he's received from Oxford parents whose kids knew something was going to happen for *weeks*. The school had a "dark cloud" around it for weeks. Kids felt eerie at school to the point they had told their parents they wanted to be picked up weeks ago and felt uncomfortable at school.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:58     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”



At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.


The school didn't know he owned a damn gun because his idiot parents bought it for him.

I agree that they should have checked the backpack.i think they just couldn't imagine this kid actually had a gun.


Listen to the full interview. That's a Pulitzer prize winning reporter interviewing the former chief of police for City of Detroit and chief of police for Detroit Public Schools. He says the school resource officer should have been in both interviews and looped into the boy's conduct. That did not happen. Had the officer been looped in, the boy would have been searched. It's a really insightful interview.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:40     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”



At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.



The school didn't know he owned a damn gun because his idiot parents bought it for him.


I agree that they should have checked the backpack.i think they just couldn't imagine this kid actually had a gun.




The gun is beside the point. From the behavior, drawings, threats alone- that was plenty of reason and suspicion to fear for the safety of him and other students and to force his immediate departure and not let him return without being cleared by a psych eval.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:30     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”



At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.



The school didn't know he owned a damn gun because his idiot parents bought it for him.


I agree that they should have checked the backpack.i think they just couldn't imagine this kid actually had a gun.


Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:26     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
So our school district is 15 miles or so away from Oxford
And in our district, if any kid mentions self harm, they are immediately pulled from class, parents called and sent home. They can't return without getting psychological help and being cleared for return l.

The school district dropped the ball.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:22     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:In todays world troubled students are no longer expelled. Troubled students are no longer sent to the police station.


This is a big problem. There will always be terrible parents. And terrible parents often have troubled kids. The school can’t control how you parent. But they absolutely should be able to control and police who is allowed in school and able to expel/suspend kids that jeopardize safety of other students or the ability of other students to learn
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:17     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The school told the parents they had 48 hours to get the shooter professional help.

The parents refused to take their own child home (because that would be admitting their failures).

The parents bought and gave their child with major probkems a gun.

The parents also encouraged the shooters behaviors (“just don’t get caught”.

On and on.

Give it a rest with blaming the school.



Doesn’t matter if the parents refuse. The school should have called police then and there to remove him. You can’t excuse that. They LET him go back to class.


That pales in comparison to the damage the parents caused, like it or not.


It isn’t a comparison- at all, nor does the school’s negligence negate the parental role in this. They are separate issues. It is simply stating the school failed to take the correction action. That is allowed to be said and prosecutors and police are in agreement.

Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:01     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The school told the parents they had 48 hours to get the shooter professional help.

The parents refused to take their own child home (because that would be admitting their failures).

The parents bought and gave their child with major probkems a gun.

The parents also encouraged the shooters behaviors (“just don’t get caught”.

On and on.

Give it a rest with blaming the school.



Doesn’t matter if the parents refuse. The school should have called police then and there to remove him. You can’t excuse that. They LET him go back to class.


That pales in comparison to the damage the parents caused, like it or not.


Yes. If the timeline the DA gave us accurate, these parents are absolutely criminally responsible for this. The school made mistakes too and there will be lots of lawsuits, but the parents are way beyond “mistake” territory.


X10000

Exactly. Try as they might, those slimy parents can't wiggle out of this one.

Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 23:00     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why everyone is arguing over who or what is most to blame, or what one thing will solve this problem. There’s plenty of blame to go around and all parties — the shooter, his parents, and the administrators — should ALL be held accountable. There are many things we should be doing moving forward — changing gun laws, charging parents who allow gun access, changing school procedures for when teachers identify threats, looking at our mental health system, examining motives and how to prevent these boys from doing this…it’s not just one thing. Let’s overhaul it all because this shit is broken.


The troubled parents of troubled kids will fight any change. As it is now, they have to do very little, and they like it that way. If a school gets shot up, all they have to do is blame the administration, even though it was the shooters parents who tied the administrations hands. And round and round they go - as long as the parents don't have to accept responsibility, and can keep their heads in the sand, they simply do not care.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 22:34     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:Have any districts been successfully sued for a school shooting? Because I'm confident the district is going to lose this one and it's going to be a big number.


Yes, frequently.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 22:30     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Have any districts been successfully sued for a school shooting? Because I'm confident the district is going to lose this one and it's going to be a big number.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 22:30     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
I don’t know why everyone is arguing over who or what is most to blame, or what one thing will solve this problem. There’s plenty of blame to go around and all parties — the shooter, his parents, and the administrators — should ALL be held accountable. There are many things we should be doing moving forward — changing gun laws, charging parents who allow gun access, changing school procedures for when teachers identify threats, looking at our mental health system, examining motives and how to prevent these boys from doing this…it’s not just one thing. Let’s overhaul it all because this shit is broken.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2021 22:28     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
In todays world troubled students are no longer expelled. Troubled students are no longer sent to the police station.