I read this whole thread in one afternoon/evening and will be bookmarking it for future reference. I'm inspired to make some noise about the MCPS code of conduct lack of enforcement. I'm a regulator myself and know all too well how often bad actors get off the hook thanks to our strange need to assume that people breaking very clear rules and guidelines must have done it by mistake and deserve multiple chances before receiving any actual consequences. I was a very casual high school athlete myself and most of my coaches displayed concerning behavior. Favoritism, telling dirty jokes, casual touching, etc. Two of them ended up in actual trouble - fired or publicly accused of sexual misconduct. One was a freaking judge. It's not in the least unthinkable that a coach or teacher could be a predator and these rules should be taken so seriously by MCPS, parents, and students that they find it too risky to attempt anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

Nothing in this thread explains why the Board of Education is pro-sexual predators.

If you had read everything you'd know that the early complaints, were not of a sexual nature - they were about his favoritism and pitting rowers against each other in a nasty way. The sexual complaints appeared later, he was immediately suspended and investigations took place.

if you had actually read the thread, this would be known to you.

Favoritism and pitting students against each other are violations of the MCPS Code of Conduct. That’s harmful behavior designed to isolate and groom a child.
Had MCPS dug a little deeper, the texting and other grooming behaviors would have probably come to light. Predators don’t just wake up one day with the intent to have sex with a high school student. They are planning for a long time to earn parental and student trust. Protecting students means catching the grooming behaviors before the sex act happens. A red flag for MCPS was the original behavior reported but MCPS routinely doesn’t enforce the Code of Conduct to send a message such grooming behaviors won’t be tolerated.

Pitting students against each other is the basis of competitive sports. How it's done matters.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire story is so sad. I don’t understand why he did it.
Didn’t he realize he would be caught eventually? He already had two warnings.
He made 101K as a teacher and was paid an additional 35k to coach rowing. He supposedly loved teaching and coaching - sounds like this was his dream job.
Why not just stop at flirting? Why not go on Tinder for sex? I’m not condoning anything he did. Just trying to understand the psychology behind his actions.

How can you not realize you need help when you text a teenage female student 4000 times?

Why?
POWER

Exactly. Power.

Also, he's apparently sexually attracted to teenage girls, and this job offered him a steady supply of those. That's why it was his dream job.

There’s a whole lot of arrogance and privilege involved, too. He truly thought his talent and charm meant he’d get away with it forever. He nearly did, too.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

Nothing in this thread explains why the Board of Education is pro-sexual predators.

If you had read everything you'd know that the early complaints, were not of a sexual nature - they were about his favoritism and pitting rowers against each other in a nasty way. The sexual complaints appeared later, he was immediately suspended and investigations took place.

if you had actually read the thread, this would be known to you.

Favoritism and pitting students against each other are violations of the MCPS Code of Conduct. That’s harmful behavior designed to isolate and groom a child.
Had MCPS dug a little deeper, the texting and other grooming behaviors would have probably come to light. Predators don’t just wake up one day with the intent to have sex with a high school student. They are planning for a long time to earn parental and student trust. Protecting students means catching the grooming behaviors before the sex act happens. A red flag for MCPS was the original behavior reported but MCPS routinely doesn’t enforce the Code of Conduct to send a message such grooming behaviors won’t be tolerated.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

Nothing in this thread explains why the Board of Education is pro-sexual predators.

If you had read everything you'd know that the early complaints, were not of a sexual nature - they were about his favoritism and pitting rowers against each other in a nasty way. The sexual complaints appeared later, he was immediately suspended and investigations took place.

if you had actually read the thread, this would be known to you.

It's more than sad - SHIPLEY is a sexual predator. He groomed these girls.

How parents of these girls - and I don't mean the parents of girls he had sex with but all parents who had girls in crew - missed it should take note. This guy did it under their eyes. If there is any suspicion, someone should know about it.
This is similar to Penn State and Sandusky.
Parents wanting their kids to be in crew to give them a leg up on college admissions - ignore rumors of emotional and sexual abuse as long as it isn't their kid.
I guess I'm trying to understand how few people had alarm bells going off in their heads.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire story is so sad. I don’t understand why he did it.
Didn’t he realize he would be caught eventually? He already had two warnings.
He made 101K as a teacher and was paid an additional 35k to coach rowing. He supposedly loved teaching and coaching - sounds like this was his dream job.
Why not just stop at flirting? Why not go on Tinder for sex? I’m not condoning anything he did. Just trying to understand the psychology behind his actions.

How can you not realize you need help when you text a teenage female student 4000 times?

Why?
POWER

Exactly. Power.

Also, he's apparently sexually attracted to teenage girls, and this job offered him a steady supply of those. That's why it was his dream job.

Anonymous wrote:This entire story is so sad. I don’t understand why he did it.
Didn’t he realize he would be caught eventually? He already had two warnings.
He made 101K as a teacher and was paid an additional 35k to coach rowing. He supposedly loved teaching and coaching - sounds like this was his dream job.
Why not just stop at flirting? Why not go on Tinder for sex? I’m not condoning anything he did. Just trying to understand the psychology behind his actions.

How can you not realize you need help when you text a teenage female student 4000 times?

Why?
POWER

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

So what did the principal do? Nothing until the police arrest three years later. Typical MCPS.

What do you want the principal to do about it? Apparently in Montgomery County what he did wasn’t technically illegal as stated per the code of Maryland and the code in Montgomery County. The only reason it came to the conclusion it did is because the code in the District of Columbia makes it explicitly illegal for a secondary teacher to be sexual with their students until the age of 20. It makes clear in their law that it doesn’t matter if the person is the age or majority or not.

I like to think this was not the principal(s) sweeping it away (I could be very wrong) rather it is a function of him not having proof nor the laws to back it up. You need actual proof to sustain an allegation and you need a law to provide teeth to those allegations.

It would make me sad to think Alan Goodwin purposely looked the other way.

What could the principal do? Even though the Montgomery County Police couldn’t arrest Shipley, MCPS and the Principal have an Employee Code of Conduct that was seriously violated. Those violations would have been grounds to fire him and revoke his teachers license in Maryland.

This entire story is so sad. I don’t understand why he did it.
Didn’t he realize he would be caught eventually? He already had two warnings.
He made 101K as a teacher and was paid an additional 35k to coach rowing. He supposedly loved teaching and coaching - sounds like this was his dream job.
Why not just stop at flirting? Why not go on Tinder for sex? I’m not condoning anything he did. Just trying to understand the psychology behind his actions.

How can you not realize you need help when you text a teenage female student 4000 times?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

So what did the principal do? Nothing until the police arrest three years later. Typical MCPS.

Did you read the article? Obviously not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

So what did the principal do? Nothing until the police arrest three years later. Typical MCPS.

What do you want the principal to do about it? Apparently in Montgomery County what he did wasn’t technically illegal as stated per the code of Maryland and the code in Montgomery County. The only reason it came to the conclusion it did is because the code in the District of Columbia makes it explicitly illegal for a secondary teacher to be sexual with their students until the age of 20. It makes clear in their law that it doesn’t matter if the person is the age or majority or not.

I like to think this was not the principal(s) sweeping it away (I could be very wrong) rather it is a function of him not having proof nor the laws to back it up. You need actual proof to sustain an allegation and you need a law to provide teeth to those allegations.

It would make me sad to think Alan Goodwin purposely looked the other way.

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Anonymous wrote:It is sick that girls made accusations over the years but the parents kept him employed. Typical Bethesda parents. They care more about prestige and their girls getting into good colleges than the actual WELL BEING OF THEIR CHILDREN. It makes me so sick.

I live in Bethesda and it makes me sick too. My friends and neighbors are all outraged over this cover-up. Please don't be a moron and generalize about Bethesda.

No, this is typical Bethesda behavior. Sure there is outrage in the greater community and people are disgusted by it but for the parents who employed him and renewed his contracts, they were willing to overlook it because he brought championships and potentially ivy league admissions. If my four years at Whitman taught me anything, it’s that a certain segment of the population would sell grandma for a prestigious college admission.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

So what did the principal do? Nothing until the police arrest three years later. Typical MCPS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?

Can you not just read the thread?

You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?

Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y

Nothing in this thread explains why the Board of Education is pro-sexual predators.