Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:57
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.
+1
Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?
It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.
Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.
She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.
This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.
They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition. I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.
In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold. The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events. And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:56
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:If she was a cute petite white girl who bailed on minority teammates she'd be raked over the coals by the wicked media. Look what they're doing to Kerri Strug; Kerri is not a hero, she was abused, she is everything wrong with the sport and the Olympics and patriotism. Being an obnoxious doped up quitter is now more noble.
So that makes it ok for whites on here to rake SB over the coals to do her "misdoing" justice. Ok. I feel like the whites like the blacks as long as they are being a good boy or girl and doing what they want them to do. The instant they don't, they trash them, destroy them. I saw it with Tiger Woods, Kaepernick, Williams sisters (they were hated for a long time), and now here it is Simones turn.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:55
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is so hilarious. All these commenters who will never get within spitting distance of participating in a sport on an international level saying that the GOAT did the wrong thing.
Yup, most all these people criticizing Biles because she had a day in which she was afraid to compete and break her neck can barely touch their toes.
It's not snarky when you repeat other people's tweets.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:50
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:This is so hilarious. All these commenters who will never get within spitting distance of participating in a sport on an international level saying that the GOAT did the wrong thing.
Yup, most all these people criticizing Biles because she had a day in which she was afraid to compete and break her neck can barely touch their toes.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:32
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would appreciate it if those who think Biles is full of herself could direct me to an interview in which she says as much.
She had a goat sewn to her leotard. Do you think maybe she just likes farm animals?
Sport psychologists will tell you to pretend your not great for the comfort of others is not good for performance.
She is the greatest gymnast on the earth right now and she does not need to pretend she isn’t.
You can’t be confident and proud without calling yourself the greatest gymnast of all time?
You can be confident and proud and call yourself the GOAT too.
You do you.
People don’t like braggarts. That’s not news.
I don’t see it as braggart I see it is confident using a term that is 100% correct.
If she said she was the best basketball player you would have a point… girl sit down.
But she is actually the goat so it’s not arrogant it’s accurate,
No one is a GOAT until human history is over. Anyone can be unseated. People just get better and better. And she has access to things people before her did not in terms of medicine and technology. So how can you really compare?
The whole idea of a GOAT is just BS. And anyone who would adopt that moniker for *themselves* is a arrogant ahole.
But lets face it. In order to an elite athlete, most of them have confidence that borders on the pathological.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:29
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Sad thing is she just created another entire revenue stream with the speech she can now give to conventions. She'll get about $150K for the first couple of years before she loses marketability.
No way.
Americans love winners, not quitters.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:24
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The media and shills are trying to rewrite the history of Kerri Strug because she's a white hero with guts and patriotism.
Absolutely. Totally nailed it with this analysis.
Abused and scared
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:19
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:The media and shills are trying to rewrite the history of Kerri Strug because she's a white hero with guts and patriotism.
Absolutely. Totally nailed it with this analysis.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:17
Subject: Biles out
The media and shills are trying to rewrite the history of Kerri Strug because she's a white hero with guts and patriotism.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:16
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wish the other team members were getting as much press as Biles is. They pulled it together and won silver. That says something positive about their mental health/resilience.
*1. It’s been treated like an afterthought by the press. That is a tremendous accomplishment.
They are being treated like they lost.
They did lose, didn't they? Russia won and it wasn't a favorite going in.
They were favorites going in based on a team selected that included Simone competing all four events. Not only did they have to do 3 events without her, to win gold they would have had to overcome Simone's vault score. To compare, Simone's high score on vault at nationals was 15.8 and she got something like a 13.7 or 8 yesterday. On top of that, the other team members subbing in had not even warmed up on the apparatus they were not originally designated to compete on.
Did the other three under perform? You could make an argument that two of them could have done better. Jordan Chiles definitely could have. However, Suni Lee tied for the highest bars score, had the second highest beam score, and on floor, the event she did not plan to compete, she got the 8th highest score of all gymnasts. That is an absolutely incredible performance, especially under the circumstances.
Those trashing the performance of the other women aren’t helping Simone’s case. The bolded is being ignored — anyone want to think about the mental stress of being told — mid-competition in the freaking Olympics — that you have to perform an event that you didn’t even warm up for? What about their mental health? Not to mention the fact that there is probably someone lower on the team who wasn’t as good all around as Biles, but would have done better on one or more of the remaining events than the three that were left. I think the woman who is competing in the individual all-around is 9th on the team, but placed very highly (like 2nd?) in qualifying on an individual event.
I do think it would behoove her to show a bit of sympathy for her teammates. She acts like she was doing them a favor. “It was best for them that I quit.” Really? What would have been best for them was if she had quit before the event or even before the Olympic trials. “You don’t owe anyone a gold medal.” If you try out for the Olympic team, you actually do owe your teammates — and the country you represent. It was the team event she dropped out of.
Not to mention the fact that she made sure, by doing it the way she did, that everyone us talking about her, not the women who had to step up and perform.
I’m not saying she should have continued, but I haven’t heard anything from her that sounds like contrition or sympathy for the awful position she put those three women in. It seems like these days, citing your own mental health excuses any kind of harm done to others — “mental health” means never having to say you’re sorry?
Awful position? Are you serious? These women have been training their whole lives to get to compete at the Olympics. It sucks when someone has to step down, but it is an OPPORTUNITY for the others who get to step up and replace her. To get so close, and be the reserve, has to be far more heartbreaking than getting a chance to compete.
You must not do Olympic sports. In my sport we had a couple last minute substitutions, and while we were all heartbroken for the competitors who couldn’t go after ALL those years of training and getting on the team….the reserve is absolutely ecstatic to be competing. That’s normal. Not to feel put upon.
The bolded is true only if the reserve has been training for it and warmed up properly. No one is ecstatic to perform in something unprepared.
Of course they have been training for it, they are the traveling reserve. They are literally treated as if they might need to step in any moment as the competing athlete…because they might. That is how being the reserve works.
They had not warmed upon the apparatus they weren't designated to compete on. Jordan Chiles was not rostered to do bars and beam, and Suni Lee was not rostered to do floor. Apparently they didn't warm up on those events in the practice gym before the competition.
The “apparatus” are all set to a very specific standard so there isn’t that much difference among any of them. I am sure the reserves had done the routines many, many times on a basically identical structure—as evidenced by the fact they rocked it. I am sure they are delighted with their opportunity to compete.
So, now we’re back to “these women are tough and have absolutely no reason to be stressed?” The double standard here is amazing. Biles backed out on events that she had prepared and warmed up for, and that’s perfectly understandable — praiseworthy even! — but these women are “delighted” to compete in events they didn’t get to be prepared for with millions of people watching? No extra stress there.
The other women presumably weren't suffering from mental health challenges as Biles was. You sound like you don't believe mental health is a legitimate concern, and that makes me pity those who have to be are around you.
DP. “Presumably” is doing a lot of work in your post.
Half the posts on here are lurid descriptions of how dangerous the sport is and accusing anyone who does anything other than praise Biles for how brave she was of not caring if she died. However, the women who were suddenly put into the position of performing in those same events with no warm up on the biggest stage there is are “lucky” and should be “thrilled” to be put in that position. I guess these events aren’t dangerous for them.
I appreciate what you’re trying to say and agree that those gymnasts were put in a tough position that they rightfully wouldn’t necessarily feel thrilled or lucky to be in. But I think you’re conflating two different risks.
I’m not “conflating” the risks. I’m pointing out that the Biles fans, and Biles herself, are acting like she did the other three girls a favor and doesn’t even owe them an apology, at best, and, at worst, trashing them because they “couldn’t” win the gold without her. By waiting until the middle of the competition to withdraw, she put them in an disadvantageous and incredibly stressful position and is avoiding any responsibility for that by citing her own mental health. People are defending that by saying the other team members should have been prepared for this and were “thrilled” to be put in that position. It’s a double standard.
I’d feel a lot better about this if she would just acknowledge that she owes the team an apology or, at a minimum, what she did wasn’t heroic. She’s almost dismissive — “I knew they’d be fine.” “They did great without me.” And we get headlines like this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/know-your-value/feature/simone-biles-showing-us-what-exemplary-feminist-leadership-really-looks-ncna1275351
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:15
Subject: Biles out
I have never seen so much cope and damage control over an athlete in my entire life. This is all so unbelievably fake.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 20:00
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would appreciate it if those who think Biles is full of herself could direct me to an interview in which she says as much.
She had a goat sewn to her leotard. Do you think maybe she just likes farm animals?
Saw the leotard, but still waiting for someone to show me the words coming out of her mouth. TIA.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 19:57
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.
+1
Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?
It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.
Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.
She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.
And that calculus wouldn’t have changed if Biles wasn’t competing?
Anonymous
07/28/2021 19:55
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.
+1
Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?
It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.
Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.
She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.
This isn't what I said. I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials. I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute? I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected. She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.
Anonymous
07/28/2021 19:49
Subject: Biles out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s possible to both feel that biles did the right thing for her safety AND that she’s full of herself. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Sure. I don't feel that way, but you certainly can. I don't think most people who think she is full of herself actually know much about her or follow her career. I think a lot of it is just trying to tear her down out of sheer nastiness. The PP who dislikes Simone and Usain Bolt had a strong "uppity black" undertone in their post. So I think most of it is just hate with a good dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. And like typical mediocre white people, they love to use other black athletes against one another (horrible take comparing her to Michael Jordan) Gag.
I find her to be a great role model for young women and girls, and exceptionally brave. She is a good human which was obvious in how much time she spent nurturing Jordan during the qualifications right before she had to go on herself.
Agree.
I always thought she was GOAT and a great role model too. My niece, a fairly high level youth gymnast (who will never be olympic level, but is being courted by a couple of colleges), though, told me last weekend SB is overly arrogant, not a team player and many gymnasts feel the same way. This was BEFORE she dropped out of any events. I texted her after I heard she'd dropped out, and my niece said something like "SEE, she does not care about her team...selfish!". I can see both sides of this, and actually sympathize more with her needing mental health help, but I thought I'd throw out that not all young gymnasts think she's a great role model.
You niece sound like a sociopath.
Interesting that her team totally disagrees with your niece and said they did it for her. Doesn't sound like the response of bitter teammates whatsoever. Your niece sounds like a dog whistler. This doesn't look selfish to me at all and she didn't rush despite being up on beam next herself: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/simone-biles-jordan-chiles-video-b1890382.html
If the rest of the team was angry, we would not hear about it. At least not right now.