Anonymous
07/05/2021 08:58
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.
The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.
Team Brit Brit.
Perhaps.
Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.
It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.
Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.
Interesting that you mentioned AW and LL since they too have fathers who are shady AF.
And yet Britney remains sober, wealthy, employable, and her brand is protected. See the tangible difference?
So, if she is doing well, then that’s evidence she needs the conservatorship. But also if she’s doing poorly, then that too is evidence she needs the conservatorship, right? Sounds like she can’t win.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 20:51
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.
The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.
Team Brit Brit.
Perhaps.
Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.
It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.
Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.
Interesting that you mentioned AW and LL since they too have fathers who are shady AF.
And yet Britney remains sober, wealthy, employable, and her brand is protected. See the tangible difference?
And yet her father, with the assistance of the state, is “in her uterus” so to speak. Oh well, as long as she is sober, wealthy, and employable who cares if her reproductive and financial decisions are controlled by men?
Anonymous
07/04/2021 20:41
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Article about the conservatorship of Britney by Ronan Farrow and Jia Tolentino. So incredibly disturbing and sad.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare
Agree. I never thought much one way or the other about Britney but after reading this piece, I'm horrified. This poor woman has been the object of so much manipulation since she was a child, mostly at the hands of men who have made a fortune off her work. It sounds like the whole conservator system is really open to this kind of abuse, and where there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, it's been taken to an extreme. She's probably irreparably damaged, but at bare minimum she should not be forced to continue to perform and should have basic autonomy over her own body and personal choices.
Yeah, she's a trainwreck for sure but so are a ton of other people. They need to all get out of her life.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 20:35
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.
The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.
Team Brit Brit.
Perhaps.
Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.
It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.
Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.
Interesting that you mentioned AW and LL since they too have fathers who are shady AF.
And yet Britney remains sober, wealthy, employable, and her brand is protected. See the tangible difference?
Anonymous
07/04/2021 20:31
Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
It states her court appointed attorney can bill up to $10,000 week.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 19:55
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.
The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.
Team Brit Brit.
Perhaps.
Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.
It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.
Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.
Interesting that you mentioned AW and LL since they too have fathers who are shady AF.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 19:51
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can a lawyer who is better than me PLEASE explain how a judge could ever possibly allow a conservator to earn a percentage of a conservatee's income. This is so wild to me. It appears to be wildly unethical and a huge conflict of interest. How could it possibly be permissible?
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This part bothers me the most. Can't a third party intervene, and not have access to the money, and the court have to sign off on large purchases? Or does that make too much sense?
I have seen a remaining parent deemed "incapacitated" (not the word used), quite easily - the shifty offspring just had to shop around for the right doctor to sign off, and they did, sadly. Viola! Assets disappear, just like that - in a fraction of the 50-70+ years it took to build them up. Heartbreaking. Then, they claim the person "has debts" - which the offspring has ZERO intention to pay, of course.
Britney is smart to refuse to work, if that is what she is still doing. I know she needs help, but people should be lining up to try to give her a somewhat normal life, instead of siphoning her riches. I don't see their sorry arses onstage.
Seriously.
I understand a conservator making a case for themselves saying "I'm sacrificing a lot of time caretaking, I should be compensated for my time," but that "compensation" should be extremely limited, possibly set by law. Anything else is exploitative, taking a percentage of earnings is simply beyond belief.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 18:54
Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:
Not sure what you mean by “all the hype” — but using “album sales” is only one way to assess an artist’s impact. Particularly in the age of digital music, singles purchased and played, YouTube views, and probably platforms I’ve never heard of need to be figured in. In Beyoncé’s case, her work with Destiny’s child is also a measure of her impact. In the end, though, I’d rather celebrate talents then reduce them to a competition based on sales. Seeing the graphic has made me curious about several artists that I’ve never listened to.
Beyonce and J Lo's appeal are positively beyond me.
Album sales are as good an indicator of profits and marketability, as anything else. Did anyone else have a Vegas residency on this list? I am sure they did, I am just unfamiliar.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 18:53
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Can a lawyer who is better than me PLEASE explain how a judge could ever possibly allow a conservator to earn a percentage of a conservatee's income. This is so wild to me. It appears to be wildly unethical and a huge conflict of interest. How could it possibly be permissible?
x1000000
This part bothers me the most. Can't a third party intervene, and not have access to the money, and the court have to sign off on large purchases? Or does that make too much sense?
I have seen a remaining parent deemed "incapacitated" (not the word used), quite easily - the shifty offspring just had to shop around for the right doctor to sign off, and they did, sadly. Viola! Assets disappear, just like that - in a fraction of the 50-70+ years it took to build them up. Heartbreaking. Then, they claim the person "has debts" - which the offspring has ZERO intention to pay, of course.
Britney is smart to refuse to work, if that is what she is still doing. I know she needs help, but people should be lining up to try to give her a somewhat normal life, instead of siphoning her riches. I don't see their sorry arses onstage.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 18:44
Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Isn’t it incredibly difficult to get a conservatorship? If she is as unstable and incapacitated as was proven in court, what makes anyone think it’s a good idea to set her free? Left to her own devices she would probably end up dead.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 18:02
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Can a lawyer who is better than me PLEASE explain how a judge could ever possibly allow a conservator to earn a percentage of a conservatee's income. This is so wild to me. It appears to be wildly unethical and a huge conflict of interest. How could it possibly be permissible?
Anonymous
07/04/2021 17:53
Subject: Re:Framing Britney Spears
Not sure what you mean by “all the hype” — but using “album sales” is only one way to assess an artist’s impact. Particularly in the age of digital music, singles purchased and played, YouTube views, and probably platforms I’ve never heard of need to be figured in. In Beyoncé’s case, her work with Destiny’s child is also a measure of her impact. In the end, though, I’d rather celebrate talents then reduce them to a competition based on sales. Seeing the graphic has made me curious about several artists that I’ve never listened to.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 13:32
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just read the New Yorker piece. Her dad should be jailed, and every lawyer and the retired judge should be investigated.
The story of her possible postpartum breakdown in 2008-2010 really takes me back to an old job, where I was in my 20s and 30s. The other youngish women were MERCILESS about her, calling her white trash, a bad mother, stupid, a whore, a druggie. I have addiction in my family and didn’t judge in the same way, at all, but it was years before I had a baby, and I never thought of the crippling nature of her life’s pace and hormones colliding to help create a nightmare. The only good thing about reading this story today is my assumption that nasty observations won’t fly anymore, and that she may actually get some freedom with some financial controls if necessary according to a truly neutral assessor.
Team Brit Brit.
Perhaps.
Or, maybe her father is trying to prevent another Amy Winehouse or Lindsay Lohan situation.
It’s a fact she has mental health and addiction issues. It’s a miracle she still has a viable career and assets. Lohan and Winehouse don’t. The difference? The conservatorship.
Both Winehouse and Lohan were very talented. Their issues and lack of protection created their downfall.
Lots of people have addiction and mental health issues. That doesn’t mean you can strip them of their rights and exploit them for monetary gain.
The entire world is watching. If anything illegal has occurred, it will be addressed.
The father isn’t living large. He and the management team safeguarded her fortune and sustained her marketability and brand. Perhaps they can loosen the reins a bit? The court will decide.
Ronan is a pot stirrer. He’s not neutral. His career is based on a niche tabloid angle wrapped in a faux advocacy package.
Again: Winehouse and Lohan.
I guarantee you if Britney had been left to fend for herself all these years that Lutfi and others would have milked her and left her unemployable, addicted, and penniless.
How old are you? Are you a child? Bad shit happens all the time while the whole world watches.
False equivalence. Why do you think that firm backed out of being attached to this? An investigation is underway. It will be played out in the court of public opinion simultaneously as the courts.
Did you read the article? Because the statements from Butcher are pretty damning. Jamie Spears sounds very abusive, first to his wife, and then his daughter.
I read the article. It wasn’t drafted by a neutral party. Ronan is only relevant when he fancies himself as exposing corruption/abuse.
I’m not defending Jamie entirely. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was abusive. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t protected her from a Winehouse or Lohan situation.
Too bad River Phoenix didn’t have someone looking out for him.
There are less restrictives means to protect someone’s medical well being. I am the medical and financial power of attorney for my mother, who is schizophrenic, a manic depressive and experiences paranoid delusions. She has been 5150’ed a dozen times. She tried to set fire to her home. Unbeknownst to me, someone tried to put her under a conservatorship. I was contacted and the judge denied the because despite everything listed above, he did not think she was incapacitated. It was after that when I became her POA. She has been stable since then (for 6 years now).
Also someone else can be her conservator. It does not have to be a man who she believes abuses her.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 13:26
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Article about the conservatorship of Britney by Ronan Farrow and Jia Tolentino. So incredibly disturbing and sad.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare
Agree. I never thought much one way or the other about Britney but after reading this piece, I'm horrified. This poor woman has been the object of so much manipulation since she was a child, mostly at the hands of men who have made a fortune off her work. It sounds like the whole conservator system is really open to this kind of abuse, and where there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, it's been taken to an extreme. She's probably irreparably damaged, but at bare minimum she should not be forced to continue to perform and should have basic autonomy over her own body and personal choices.
Agree. So disturbing that this could even happen to a human being.
Anonymous
07/04/2021 13:20
Subject: Framing Britney Spears
Anonymous wrote:Article about the conservatorship of Britney by Ronan Farrow and Jia Tolentino. So incredibly disturbing and sad.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare
Agree. I never thought much one way or the other about Britney but after reading this piece, I'm horrified. This poor woman has been the object of so much manipulation since she was a child, mostly at the hands of men who have made a fortune off her work. It sounds like the whole conservator system is really open to this kind of abuse, and where there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, it's been taken to an extreme. She's probably irreparably damaged, but at bare minimum she should not be forced to continue to perform and should have basic autonomy over her own body and personal choices.