Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:47
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
Jeff I understand your point of view and I respect it.
However if the police have someone pointing a gun at them, at a bus stop where children will soon be arriving no less, how should they have handled it?
I really am curious and I've asked this before ITT and haven't gotten an answer.
I didn't actually see any evidence that he posted the gun at anyone. However, police departments elsewhere in the world appear to be better trained than those in the US in deescalating situations. This situation seems to have gone (according to the latest police version that I've heard which might not be the latest anymore) from pot possession, to gun possession, to shooting. Given that his wife was right there, they might have wanted to stop their shouting at him to get out of the truck and take a minute to talk to her. It would have been worthwhile for the officers to calm down, relax, and let the wife talk (from a distance) to her husband. She would have had some insight in to his mindset. I suspect that he was thinking, "I've been in jail, I've sort of got things turned around, but now I'm going back. F-that". Maybe his wife could have told him things were not as hopeless as they seemed to him and that he should cooperate.
I can agree with you, 100%, if he wasn't pointing his weapon at police officers.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:45
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
You also said you believed the gun was planted. That's a horrible thing to accuse an officer of, frankly, especially when there was no reason to believe so besides conjecture.
Regarding what you believe about force, that's your prerogative. I, personally, think they gave him time to respond appropriately.
I suggested that planting a gun was a possibility. It was a possibility and should always be considered a possibility in such cases. Do you believe everything government officials say? I suspect not.
Why would he have an ankle holster though?
jsteele
09/27/2016 13:44
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
You also said you believed the gun was planted. That's a horrible thing to accuse an officer of, frankly, especially when there was no reason to believe so besides conjecture.
Regarding what you believe about force, that's your prerogative. I, personally, think they gave him time to respond appropriately.
I suggested that planting a gun was a possibility. It was a possibility and should always be considered a possibility in such cases. Do you believe everything government officials say? I suspect not.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:43
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:
In areas with high crime rates and gang activity shouldn't there be "overaggressive" policing? Maybe there should be more. Maybe then impoverished people who as just trying to feed their kids could relax a little an not worry about always being, assaulted, killed or robbed for what little they have. Maybe then there could be a focus on education and rebuilding neighborhoods. Maybe then grocery stores and other services would feel safe coming back in to these neighborhoods.
Aggressive yes! Over aggressive? Over here implies more than what's needed. So no, I wouldn't agree.
In general it's not a good idea to make problems go away by changing the law so that the problems are no longer problems. However, in the case of inner city crime, I believe this fits the bill perfectly. Drugs, especially marijuana should be legalized and regulated just like tobacco and alcohol. People will always look for a good time and get high, whether it's rush of adrenaline or some altered state of awareness. This activity has controllable risk, like alcohol consumption, and therefore would benefit from similar legalization and control.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:43
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
Jeff I understand your point of view and I respect it.
However if the police have someone pointing a gun at them, at a bus stop where children will soon be arriving no less, how should they have handled it?
I really am curious and I've asked this before ITT and haven't gotten an answer.
I didn't actually see any evidence that he posted the gun at anyone. However, police departments elsewhere in the world appear to be better trained than those in the US in deescalating situations. This situation seems to have gone (according to the latest police version that I've heard which might not be the latest anymore) from pot possession, to gun possession, to shooting. Given that his wife was right there, they might have wanted to stop their shouting at him to get out of the truck and take a minute to talk to her. It would have been worthwhile for the officers to calm down, relax, and let the wife talk (from a distance) to her husband. She would have had some insight in to his mindset. I suspect that he was thinking, "I've been in jail, I've sort of got things turned around, but now I'm going back. F-that". Maybe his wife could have told him things were not as hopeless as they seemed to him and that he should cooperate.
So there's a guy with a gun in the car and you want the cops to turn their backs on him to talk to the wife? Bullets travel. From a distance means nothing. They didn't know if this guy was on something, if he was a wildcard who would just start shooting around him.
jsteele
09/27/2016 13:42
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
Jeff I understand your point of view and I respect it.
However if the police have someone pointing a gun at them, at a bus stop where children will soon be arriving no less, how should they have handled it?
I really am curious and I've asked this before ITT and haven't gotten an answer.
Jeff is a tough guy. He wouldn't fear for his life because a felon was brandishing a gun and disobeying orders to drop it (like those wimpy cops!). He would've had this guy disarmed before the kids ever came upon the scene through the magic of his words.
I think it has been proven pretty conclusively that nobody is as tough as an anonymous poster.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:42
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
You also said you believed the gun was planted. That's a horrible thing to accuse an officer of, frankly, especially when there was no reason to believe so besides conjecture.
Regarding what you believe about force, that's your prerogative. I, personally, think they gave him time to respond appropriately.
jsteele
09/27/2016 13:39
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
Jeff I understand your point of view and I respect it.
However if the police have someone pointing a gun at them, at a bus stop where children will soon be arriving no less, how should they have handled it?
I really am curious and I've asked this before ITT and haven't gotten an answer.
I didn't actually see any evidence that he posted the gun at anyone. However, police departments elsewhere in the world appear to be better trained than those in the US in deescalating situations. This situation seems to have gone (according to the latest police version that I've heard which might not be the latest anymore) from pot possession, to gun possession, to shooting. Given that his wife was right there, they might have wanted to stop their shouting at him to get out of the truck and take a minute to talk to her. It would have been worthwhile for the officers to calm down, relax, and let the wife talk (from a distance) to her husband. She would have had some insight in to his mindset. I suspect that he was thinking, "I've been in jail, I've sort of got things turned around, but now I'm going back. F-that". Maybe his wife could have told him things were not as hopeless as they seemed to him and that he should cooperate.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:38
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
Jeff I understand your point of view and I respect it.
However if the police have someone pointing a gun at them, at a bus stop where children will soon be arriving no less, how should they have handled it?
I really am curious and I've asked this before ITT and haven't gotten an answer.
Jeff is a tough guy. He wouldn't fear for his life because a felon was brandishing a gun and disobeying orders to drop it (like those wimpy cops!). He would've had this guy disarmed before the kids ever came upon the scene through the magic of his words.
Give Jeff some credit, at least he admitted he was wrong about the book. The key here is for Jeff, and for all of us, to learn from mistakes. Why did we jump to conclusions, did we allow our prejudices to affect our judgement. Lets try to not make those same mistakes. We can only hope.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:31
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
Jeff I understand your point of view and I respect it.
However if the police have someone pointing a gun at them, at a bus stop where children will soon be arriving no less, how should they have handled it?
I really am curious and I've asked this before ITT and haven't gotten an answer.
Jeff is a tough guy. He wouldn't fear for his life because a felon was brandishing a gun and disobeying orders to drop it (like those wimpy cops!). He would've had this guy disarmed before the kids ever came upon the scene through the magic of his words.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:26
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And the daughter's video with incredibly graphic language..saying her father was killed because he's black. No, there was probable cause that he was committing a felony, he did not follow police commands, and he was shot because he was presenting an immediate threat.
+ a million.
What a joke.
I frankly don't get why AAs allow these jokes to become the voice of their community. I guess the well-educated AAs prefer to simply ignore the crazies, but that's going to backfire, if it isn't already.
+ a zillion
No matter how culpable a perp is, no matter how violent, if he's black.....all the excuses come out. I cannot believe that blacks (Hi Hillary), are using this case as indication of racism. The guy was an ex-felon, did prison time for shooting someone, also had a restraining order against him from his wife, had a stolen gun, was threatening police with it, and refused to comply with their command - issued 12 times - to drop the weapon, and white people are actually expected to fault the black cop for his racist attitude?
Yeah let's forget all about the numerous other instances of racial profiling and overaggressive policing let's act like this one confrontation is the only one people are pissed about and dispute it by vilifying a dead man!!
If you think there are other incidents of racial profiling and admit that this isn't a good example, then just admit that the defenders of the cops were right in this case. The defenders of this guy were wrong. Then focus on those other incidents.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:18
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.
Jeff I understand your point of view and I respect it.
However if the police have someone pointing a gun at them, at a bus stop where children will soon be arriving no less, how should they have handled it?
I really am curious and I've asked this before ITT and haven't gotten an answer.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:17
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And the daughter's video with incredibly graphic language..saying her father was killed because he's black. No, there was probable cause that he was committing a felony, he did not follow police commands, and he was shot because he was presenting an immediate threat.
+ a million.
What a joke.
I frankly don't get why AAs allow these jokes to become the voice of their community. I guess the well-educated AAs prefer to simply ignore the crazies, but that's going to backfire, if it isn't already.
+ a zillion
No matter how culpable a perp is, no matter how violent, if he's black.....all the excuses come out. I cannot believe that blacks (Hi Hillary), are using this case as indication of racism. The guy was an ex-felon, did prison time for shooting someone, also had a restraining order against him from his wife, had a stolen gun, was threatening police with it, and refused to comply with their command - issued 12 times - to drop the weapon, and white people are actually expected to fault the black cop for his racist attitude?
Yeah let's forget all about the numerous other instances of racial profiling and overaggressive policing let's act like this one confrontation is the only one people are pissed about and dispute it by vilifying a dead man!!
But this is almost always the case. Everyone gets all riled up and upset over a shooting. Then we find out the guy had a gun or was reaching for the cops gun or was a violent felon and was resisting arrest.
Anonymous
09/27/2016 13:16
Subject: Re:Pray for Charlotte, NC
Yeah let's forget all about the numerous other instances of racial profiling and overaggressive policing let's act like this one confrontation is the only one people are pissed about and dispute it by vilifying a dead man!!
Maybe we can talk about those issues when we don't have riots over people like Michael Brown who tried to grab an officer's gun and charge him.
jsteele
09/27/2016 13:14
Subject: Pray for Charlotte, NC
Anonymous wrote:Jeff's witness looks credible though - LOL
Proven wrong about the book but I am still convinced that the police used unnecessary and unreasonable force.