Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Hamas has agreed to a ceasefire deal. Where is Israel? So much for the “it could all end tomorrow if Hamas returns the hostages” posters.

So the hostages have been released? I don't think so. Hamas is still trying to extort favorable terms for itself, trading Plaestinian lives ofr its own survival.

Meanwhile Hamas has agreed to a ceasefire deal. Where is Israel? So much for the “it could all end tomorrow if Hamas returns the hostages” posters.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.

I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.

Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.

I'm the PP who asked this question and I do understand the difference. I also know that lately this question of "dual loyalty/dual nationality" only seems to get applied around issues related to zionism or Israel, and often it feels like there's an underlying suggestion that Jews, regardless of their citizenship, can't be trusted to have America's best interest at heart.

For what it's worth, I'm a 4th generation American Jew with family in Israel but I'm not a dual citizen. I'm also someone who believes in the vision of Israel but detests the current government and has actively participated in the growing protest movement whenever I'm in Israel (most of my Israeli family members and friends were a part of yesterday's strike and protests). This idea that all Israelis are just one thing, that their very presence there makes them complicit in what's going on in Gaza, baffles me. Are all Americans wholly represented by the Trump administration and it's decisions?

Serious question- how can you believe in the vision of Israel when all this violence and ethnic cleansing has happened because of Balfour in 48. I ask because my in laws were displaced in the Nakba in 48 and are now dead. They never set foot in Palestine again after they were expelled. How do you sleep at night knowing this has happened and had led to everything that is happening now? Also, latest polls show that 79% of Israelis are okay with the starvation going on, so while I don’t think we can make blanket statements on Israelis as a whole- a vast majority of them seem totally cool with Palestinians dying or being displaced. Source Haaretz:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-05/ty-article/.premium/large-majority-of-israeli-jews-untroubled-by-reports-of-famine-in-gaza-poll-finds/00000198-7ab3-d0ce-a5de-fbb374f30000

It is not that deep. Israel is a country that exists now. You want the U.S. to go to war to make it not a country anymore. Why would we do that?

no-one- not even the Arabs back then wanted Israel not to exist, they wanted a single, secular democratic state. this idea that has taken rot somewhere along the beginning of the 21st century that a peaceful, democratic multiethnic, multilingual country cannot exist is ....insane. I grew up brown and muslim in Potomac in the 1980s, if we could do it then, we can do it now. western liberalism is a GOOD way to live, you guys are gonna hate it if you abandon it for christian nationalism and EVERYONE in the world wants to live in a liberal democracy with a stable economy- that is what people want in the ME as well. I know people who were at the UN at the foundation of Israel- that is what the Palestinians wanted- a single, democratic, secular state with 2 languages. the Middle Ages sucked- why do ppl want to go back to the time???

This is a holocaust, and we must recognize it now so that no one can use the excuse that they had no idea in the future like has happened for so many previous holocaust/genocides.

Our US tax dollars at work, funding the Israeli military.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gaza-starvation-malnutrition-deaths-israel-hamas-war-palestinians/

Gaza hospital boss says 21 children died of malnutrition, starvation over last 3 days

Gaza City — The head of Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City said on Tuesday that 21 children had died across the Palestinian territory in the past three days "due to malnutrition and starvation."

"These deaths were recorded at hospitals in Gaza, including Al-Shifa in Gaza City, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir el-Balah and Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis ... over the past 72 hours," Mohammed Abu Salmiya told reporters.

United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres warned Monday evening that "the last lifelines keeping people alive are collapsing" in Gaza, and that there were growing reports of children and adults exhibiting symptoms of malnutrition.

Abu Salmiya told reporters that new cases of malnutrition and starvation were arriving at Gaza's remaining functioning hospitals "every moment," adding: "We are heading towards alarming numbers of deaths due to the starvation inflicted on the people of Gaza."

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Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.

I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.

Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.

I'm the PP who asked this question and I do understand the difference. I also know that lately this question of "dual loyalty/dual nationality" only seems to get applied around issues related to zionism or Israel, and often it feels like there's an underlying suggestion that Jews, regardless of their citizenship, can't be trusted to have America's best interest at heart.

For what it's worth, I'm a 4th generation American Jew with family in Israel but I'm not a dual citizen. I'm also someone who believes in the vision of Israel but detests the current government and has actively participated in the growing protest movement whenever I'm in Israel (most of my Israeli family members and friends were a part of yesterday's strike and protests). This idea that all Israelis are just one thing, that their very presence there makes them complicit in what's going on in Gaza, baffles me. Are all Americans wholly represented by the Trump administration and it's decisions?

Serious question- how can you believe in the vision of Israel when all this violence and ethnic cleansing has happened because of Balfour in 48. I ask because my in laws were displaced in the Nakba in 48 and are now dead. They never set foot in Palestine again after they were expelled. How do you sleep at night knowing this has happened and had led to everything that is happening now? Also, latest polls show that 79% of Israelis are okay with the starvation going on, so while I don’t think we can make blanket statements on Israelis as a whole- a vast majority of them seem totally cool with Palestinians dying or being displaced. Source Haaretz:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-05/ty-article/.premium/large-majority-of-israeli-jews-untroubled-by-reports-of-famine-in-gaza-poll-finds/00000198-7ab3-d0ce-a5de-fbb374f30000

It is not that deep. Israel is a country that exists now. You want the U.S. to go to war to make it not a country anymore. Why would we do that?

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I don’t think anyone is promoting the idea of the U.S. rolling up its sleeves and curb stomping Israel into oblivion.

I think the billions of individuals worldwide who have awakened to the evil of Zionism, and who now hate radical, extremist Zionists with the white hot rage of 1,000 suns, want to see (1) radical reform in Israel that fully addresses the sins of the past 75+ years, or (2) a cooperative of regional and supraregional nations making it forcefully clear to the 7.5 million Zionists in Israel and the 125 million racists, evangelicals, and Zionists in the U.S. that they have very much overplayed their hand and that there will be very, very uncomfortable consequences moving forward for everyone who blindly, unconditionally supported Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.

I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.

Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.

I'm the PP who asked this question and I do understand the difference. I also know that lately this question of "dual loyalty/dual nationality" only seems to get applied around issues related to zionism or Israel, and often it feels like there's an underlying suggestion that Jews, regardless of their citizenship, can't be trusted to have America's best interest at heart.

For what it's worth, I'm a 4th generation American Jew with family in Israel but I'm not a dual citizen. I'm also someone who believes in the vision of Israel but detests the current government and has actively participated in the growing protest movement whenever I'm in Israel (most of my Israeli family members and friends were a part of yesterday's strike and protests). This idea that all Israelis are just one thing, that their very presence there makes them complicit in what's going on in Gaza, baffles me. Are all Americans wholly represented by the Trump administration and it's decisions?

I’m honestly baffled by what the average Israeli believes. I see news reports and read posts like yours saying Israelis do not support what is going on in Gaza. Yet, there are also reports that there is support in Israel for ongoing conflict and apathy about starvation/famine.

But honestly, does that matter? For me it’s simple: Israel - the nation founded on “never again” is causing harm to others. As an American with Jewish immigrant great - grandparents who came to the US prior to WWII. I find this horrific.

I find it equally horrific that my Dem leaders will not denounce Netanhayu’s actions.

I am not anti Semitic. I am a mix of multiple ethnicities and religions. My kids are even more of a mix. I don’t think people should be persecuted for beliefs AS LONG AS those beliefs do not harm others.

Right now Israel is the aggressor and is harming others. I am outraged.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.

I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.

Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.

I'm the PP who asked this question and I do understand the difference. I also know that lately this question of "dual loyalty/dual nationality" only seems to get applied around issues related to zionism or Israel, and often it feels like there's an underlying suggestion that Jews, regardless of their citizenship, can't be trusted to have America's best interest at heart.

For what it's worth, I'm a 4th generation American Jew with family in Israel but I'm not a dual citizen. I'm also someone who believes in the vision of Israel but detests the current government and has actively participated in the growing protest movement whenever I'm in Israel (most of my Israeli family members and friends were a part of yesterday's strike and protests). This idea that all Israelis are just one thing, that their very presence there makes them complicit in what's going on in Gaza, baffles me. Are all Americans wholly represented by the Trump administration and it's decisions?

Serious question- how can you believe in the vision of Israel when all this violence and ethnic cleansing has happened because of Balfour in 48. I ask because my in laws were displaced in the Nakba in 48 and are now dead. They never set foot in Palestine again after they were expelled. How do you sleep at night knowing this has happened and had led to everything that is happening now? Also, latest polls show that 79% of Israelis are okay with the starvation going on, so while I don’t think we can make blanket statements on Israelis as a whole- a vast majority of them seem totally cool with Palestinians dying or being displaced. Source Haaretz:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-05/ty-article/.premium/large-majority-of-israeli-jews-untroubled-by-reports-of-famine-in-gaza-poll-finds/00000198-7ab3-d0ce-a5de-fbb374f30000

It is not that deep. Israel is a country that exists now. You want the U.S. to go to war to make it not a country anymore. Why would we do that?

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Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.

I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.

Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.

I'm the PP who asked this question and I do understand the difference. I also know that lately this question of "dual loyalty/dual nationality" only seems to get applied around issues related to zionism or Israel, and often it feels like there's an underlying suggestion that Jews, regardless of their citizenship, can't be trusted to have America's best interest at heart.

For what it's worth, I'm a 4th generation American Jew with family in Israel but I'm not a dual citizen. I'm also someone who believes in the vision of Israel but detests the current government and has actively participated in the growing protest movement whenever I'm in Israel (most of my Israeli family members and friends were a part of yesterday's strike and protests). This idea that all Israelis are just one thing, that their very presence there makes them complicit in what's going on in Gaza, baffles me. Are all Americans wholly represented by the Trump administration and it's decisions?

Serious question- how can you believe in the vision of Israel when all this violence and ethnic cleansing has happened because of Balfour in 48. I ask because my in laws were displaced in the Nakba in 48 and are now dead. They never set foot in Palestine again after they were expelled. How do you sleep at night knowing this has happened and had led to everything that is happening now? Also, latest polls show that 79% of Israelis are okay with the starvation going on, so while I don’t think we can make blanket statements on Israelis as a whole- a vast majority of them seem totally cool with Palestinians dying or being displaced. Source Haaretz:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-05/ty-article/.premium/large-majority-of-israeli-jews-untroubled-by-reports-of-famine-in-gaza-poll-finds/00000198-7ab3-d0ce-a5de-fbb374f30000

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Anonymous wrote:It’s unclear whether Western countries hating on Israel really care or are doing so just because of domestic political pressures.

It's presently fashionable, but in reality no Western countries want to see a proliferation of Palestinians or of Palestinian values and mores. Not much different than saying tsk, tsk about the situations in Haiti, Sudan, or other failing entities which are unable to govern themselves successfully.

I generally find most people to be anti-genocide. The UN was not sent into Rwanda because people were pro-Tutsi.

Do you think the world went tsk tsk over Haiti? Have you forgotten about the unsuccessful UN mission in Haiti? It may have failed but the world cared.

I’m actually very surprised at how bad Jews have gotten at controlling the narrative and even at controlling Hwood. There are a couple of Palestinian or Arab comedians Bassem Youssef , Ramy Yousseff, and Sammy Obeid who are very popular online with young people
They’ve lost journalism too. I see Mehdi Hassan all the time even though he’s no longer on MSNBC? I know the word Al Jazeera. I don’t know the Israeli equivalent.

Now the mayor of NYC is going to be pro Pali Muslim.

Israel seems to have a media problem. Last week, the Nelk Boys podcast apologized to their audience for interviewing Netanyahu. Out of all the Jews in the world, Netanyahu was selected and (he even said it) that he was there to influence the young.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s unclear whether Western countries hating on Israel really care or are doing so just because of domestic political pressures.

It's presently fashionable, but in reality no Western countries want to see a proliferation of Palestinians or of Palestinian values and mores. Not much different than saying tsk, tsk about the situations in Haiti, Sudan, or other failing entities which are unable to govern themselves successfully.

DP

You are living in denial. I don’t think most people are tripping over themselves to welcome any outside group into their midst (including Palestinians), but that does NOTHING to reduce the white hot contempt for Israel.

Literally … nothing.

Anonymous wrote:It’s unclear whether Western countries hating on Israel really care or are doing so just because of domestic political pressures.

It's presently fashionable, but in reality no Western countries want to see a proliferation of Palestinians or of Palestinian values and mores. Not much different than saying tsk, tsk about the situations in Haiti, Sudan, or other failing entities which are unable to govern themselves successfully.

Anonymous wrote:It’s unclear whether Western countries hating on Israel really care or are doing so just because of domestic political pressures.

A country is not a person. A country does not care about anything.

It’s unclear whether Western countries hating on Israel really care or are doing so just because of domestic political pressures.