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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

I’m not supportive of any of these groups. I fully condemn them all. But I’m not binary (like you, apparently), so there are degrees of contempt across the board. And unlike you, I don’t give any of them a pass because of the sins of their neighbors, including Israel.

Now that that’s settled, since I dictate what I do and don’t support, not you … let’s get you on the record right now with what you stand for, and we can start with you answering the simple question below (2nd attempt).

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

That's a very weasel answer to anything. And very pathetic. Either/Or. Both sides. Whataboutism.

And you dictate your little whateveresim.

Not the previous poster. But...

Do you have a problem with either the Hezbollah or Hamas charter?

You should read it.

If I were Israeli, I would 100 percent be for the destruction of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Word salad, but I don’t give AF about charters. And apparently you don’t either because you’re unaware that the Hanas charter was revised in the last decade. The only place you’ll find “from the river to the sea” is in the Likud charter, the founding documents forged by the leader of Israel’s current government.

Again, I condemn Israel, Hamas and all terror groups. Zero support.

But you won’t condemn Israel, which makes you part of the problem that the rest of the world will have to address.

You don’t give AF about charters but you take Hamas at its word for its so called “revised” charter that everyone knows is BS propaganda to trick dumb people like you.

Dumb people like me?

What do you consider fact? You take the word of radical, extremist Zionism as fact, and when Hamas explicitly changes their charter to address your accusations, you move the goalposts and call it BS propaganda.

Can your brilliant mind start to see why most people don’t believe, respect, take seriously, or care for the group of people you’re either part of or that you’re willing to blindly, unconditionally support?

I never said I take radical wings of the Israeli government as fact. I’ve said repeatedly on this thread that I hate Bibi.

I have no desire to continue talking to you if you continue to ignore what I say.

I’m not the person to whom you’re responding, but understand this: I’ve been telling Zionists for a very long time that it would be them and their arrogance and myopia which will destroy Israel. They are unprepared to understand that it is not just Netanyahu. It is Israeli society as a whole that is a problem. It’s always laughable to me when people who think they know things, try to make a distinction between Netanyahu and the rest. There isn’t. With more and more people from the former Soviet Union and Mizrahi lunatics like Gvir taking over, it’s going to get worse and it won’t be at the hands of Palestinians. The United States protecting that country from any/all accountability and funding its depravity for administration after administration, inevitably created a monster and you can’t see it. You’d probably rather believe that everyone is just an antisemite, because it’s much easier than actually delving into the lies told on Israel’s behalf. That’s what people like Jake Tapper and Dana Bash do. They chalk everything up to anti-Semitism and when called out, they don’t have the guts to debate their role in spreading israeli propaganda. And of course they have nothing to say about the despicable congressional hearings on hate where it was actually Arabs and Muslims literally targeted with hate by elected officials, not just some random person at a protest or some tweet being the entire argument regarding antisemitism. Social media is not having it. Read Max Blumenthal responding to Jake Tapper claiming that Dana Bash was a victim of antisemitism at her book signing. Jake Tapper doesn’t have the guts to respond. People see through the lies being told on the Israeli side and the US coddling those lies. And they see through the glaring omissions in media. The moment Israel started jonesing to go into Lebanon, I knew the US being its lapdog, would be willing to continue to destroy itself and go along.

I hope at some point, Americans realize what a disaster it has been to lie on behalf of an occupation, not a democracy.

You’re nasty.

Point to the Jewish children who have been stabbed to death. Point to the Jewish college students shot and paralyzed. Dana Bash went on CNN and lied about Jewish students at UCLA being kept from campus. She lied and made it sound as if Jewish students in particular were the only ones kept off campus. When there was violence on campus, it was known that people were paid by the pro Israel side to specifically show up to start violence, but the media treated it as though it were “both sides.” When I witnessed an antisemitic attack, it was a Zionist Jewish man built pulling a prayer shawl off of a Jewish woman who was protesting for a cease-fire. Sen. John Kennedy and the rest of the Republicans engaged in disgusting racist and bigoted comments towards a witness. Was there any talk of censure for them or is that just reserved for MoC who are American of Palestinian descent and quoting the LIKUD CHARTER?

The fact is that the ADL was allowed an endless platform in media and in Congress to lie to the American people about a so-called 800% increase in anti-Semitic attacks. That was a lie. Jonathan Greenblatt has been allowed to to use anti-Semitism accusations to defend the depravity of Israel. Even people working at the ADL called him out for it.

You’ve already been exposed as a liar on this thread for claiming only Likud said “from the river to the sea” so maybe you should just stop before you spew more lies.

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Anonymous wrote:Per the AP,

We are sending 3000 troops to the region in expectation that fighting will worsen…


Seems like this is tracking into A full scale war.

Where is Biden/Harris on this? Maybe we should ask Jill for help.

Where are Biden and Harris? Is that serious question? They are the ones sending US troops to the Middle East right now.

Maybe give a damn update or press conference on why you are sending 3000 US troops to this conflict. What are your goals. What is the plan????????????


Where is Biden and Harris????????????????

Are you asking someone on this forum for this information?

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Anonymous wrote:Per the AP,

We are sending 3000 troops to the region in expectation that fighting will worsen…


Seems like this is tracking into A full scale war.

Where is Biden/Harris on this? Maybe we should ask Jill for help.

Where are Biden and Harris? Is that serious question? They are the ones sending US troops to the Middle East right now.

Maybe give a damn update or press conference on why you are sending 3000 US troops to this conflict. What are your goals. What is the plan????????????


Where is Biden and Harris????????????????

Anonymous wrote:The number killed today in Lebanon is nearly 500, which is a staggering number in one day. About 100 of those are children and women.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/23/israel-hezbollah-lebanon-air-strikes/

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Anonymous wrote:Per the AP,

We are sending 3000 troops to the region in expectation that fighting will worsen…


Seems like this is tracking into A full scale war.

Where is Biden/Harris on this? Maybe we should ask Jill for help.

Where are Biden and Harris? Is that serious question? They are the ones sending US troops to the Middle East right now.

Maybe give a damn update or press conference on why you are sending 3000 US troops to this conflict. What are your goals. What is the plan????????????


Where is Biden and Harris????????????????

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Anonymous wrote:Per the AP,

We are sending 3000 troops to the region in expectation that fighting will worsen…


Seems like this is tracking into A full scale war.

Where is Biden/Harris on this? Maybe we should ask Jill for help.

Where are Biden and Harris? Is that serious question? They are the ones sending US troops to the Middle East right now.

Maybe give a damn update or press conference on why you are sending 3000 US troops to this conflict. What are your goals. What is the plan????????????


Where is Biden and Harris????????????????

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Anonymous wrote:Per the AP,

We are sending 3000 troops to the region in expectation that fighting will worsen…


Seems like this is tracking into A full scale war.

Where is Biden/Harris on this? Maybe we should ask Jill for help.

Where are Biden and Harris? Is that serious question? They are the ones sending US troops to the Middle East right now.

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Anonymous wrote:One also has to wonder why did these same people want to kill Saddam if Iran was so evil? Saddam was Irans mortal enemy.

Iran got stronger and developed uranium all because of that Iraq war. With two wars on their border in Iraq and Afghanistan, they had obvious reasons to spend more on defense but Israel assumed it was against them when it had nothing to do with them but the US war in Iraq which they beat the drums for as well.

I can pull up quotes from 2003 where Israelis claimed Iraq/Saddam were the bad guy and Iran were the good guys.

This is all a con game for resources or just plain stupidity. Anybody who thinks Israel only wants to take over and rule Palestine and not the entire Levant is asleep or ignorant. The Greater Israel project is not a conspiracy. It is real. Why else would destroying Iraq, Syria, Lebanon be on the wish list? I’m guessing Jordan’s next as well, right?

Please go take your meds.

I welcome a substantive debate rather than ad hominens. What is scary and notable is how the world /war domination and Greater Israel project is never denied.

It is quite telling but the truth always is

It’s because the idea that Israel seeks world domination is asinine.

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Anonymous wrote:One also has to wonder why did these same people want to kill Saddam if Iran was so evil? Saddam was Irans mortal enemy.

Iran got stronger and developed uranium all because of that Iraq war. With two wars on their border in Iraq and Afghanistan, they had obvious reasons to spend more on defense but Israel assumed it was against them when it had nothing to do with them but the US war in Iraq which they beat the drums for as well.

I can pull up quotes from 2003 where Israelis claimed Iraq/Saddam were the bad guy and Iran were the good guys.

This is all a con game for resources or just plain stupidity. Anybody who thinks Israel only wants to take over and rule Palestine and not the entire Levant is asleep or ignorant. The Greater Israel project is not a conspiracy. It is real. Why else would destroying Iraq, Syria, Lebanon be on the wish list? I’m guessing Jordan’s next as well, right?

Please go take your meds.

I welcome a substantive debate rather than ad hominens. What is scary and notable is how the world /war domination and Greater Israel project is never denied.

It is quite telling but the truth always is

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Anonymous wrote:I would understand if there was proof Iran and Hezbollah did 10/7 but they didn’t. Israel knows who did and where they are (Gaza) but they want Lebanon and have wanted to attack Hezbollah for a long time because theyre “too strong to exist” on their border after Hezbollah and Russia just beat ISIS with ease in Syria much to Israel’s disappointment and despite their constant aide

Iran’s proxy—Hamas—did 10/7. Keep up.

Hamas’s proxy is Netanyahu. Why hasn’t Netanyahu killed Sinwar yet? Israel does not want the Palestinian Authority to take over Gaza. They hated that Ismail Haniyeh was also saying he wanted a Western brokered ceasefire /two state solution too. They want Sinwar alive because he’s their man right now as he is not a moderate Palestinian voice and hates the word negotiation and is undetectable by Americans. I am sure Mossad knows which tunnel he is in but they need him alive to be a boogeyman for the already divided Israeli public and because Netanyahu knows he’ll likely go to jail once the war ends.

Your king and your kingdom is the emperor with no clothes right now

If anyone wants to actually learn about the Hamas-Iran relationship:

“Hamas would not have been able to plan and conduct such an operation without years of Iranian training, Iranian weapons, and hundreds of millions of dollars in Iranian funding.”

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/hamas-iran-relationship

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Anonymous wrote:One also has to wonder why did these same people want to kill Saddam if Iran was so evil? Saddam was Irans mortal enemy.

Iran got stronger and developed uranium all because of that Iraq war. With two wars on their border in Iraq and Afghanistan, they had obvious reasons to spend more on defense but Israel assumed it was against them when it had nothing to do with them but the US war in Iraq which they beat the drums for as well.

I can pull up quotes from 2003 where Israelis claimed Iraq/Saddam were the bad guy and Iran were the good guys.

This is all a con game for resources or just plain stupidity. Anybody who thinks Israel only wants to take over and rule Palestine and not the entire Levant is asleep or ignorant. The Greater Israel project is not a conspiracy. It is real. Why else would destroying Iraq, Syria, Lebanon be on the wish list? I’m guessing Jordan’s next as well, right?

Please go take your meds.