Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:38
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.
It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.
Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.
But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.
Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.
The lead investigator was literally fired he was that terrible. Do you know hard it is fire a cop?
He was not fired for any of the investigative actions he took on this case, and after FBI/DOJ investigation producing 3000+ pages of materials, there was ZERO evidence of a police coverup/corruption and ZERO evidence of third party culprits.
Proctor was fired for conduct unbecoming related to calling the defendant names in texts to family/friends on his private phone, and for driving his MSP vehicle after having consumed alcohol at lunch while on duty. The infractions he was fired for are infractions that never result in firing especially as first offenses - he otherwise has a dozen years of clean sheet and laudable investigations. He is most certainly going to get reinstated after review by the civil service appeals board. He was fired because the MSP was under enormous pressure by politicians and the FKR movement, not because he is a terrible investigator or even a bad cop.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:38
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
There are other possible scenarios. It’s too bad that the investigators didn’t knock on the doors of neighbors that morning and ask to collect camera footage. That could have been useful in seeing the various vehicles which drove up and down the street and the timestamps.
Is this something they don’t do in Massachusetts? I know in the Waukegan parade case the camera footage that law enforcement was able to collect was very helpful to the prosecution’s case.
The neighbor across the street with the best vantage point was the chief of police.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:33
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.
It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.
Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.
But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.
Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.
The lead investigator was literally fired he was that terrible. Do you know hard it is fire a cop?
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:31
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
Without ring footage, we have no idea who was inside and who was outside. And it absolutely matters how much everyone had to drink if we are claiming they are reliable witnesses but using alcohol to try to impeach KR.
Nobody's impeaching KR because she's not taken the stand. She just gets to make self-serving statements ad nauseam to media without being subject to cross exam. But because she is BPD and a stinking thinking alcoholic, she keeps telling on herself over and over and over again. Anybody rationally thinking can see it - she HIT HIM she HIT HIM she HIT HIM.
Maybe. But it’s hardly a slam dunk or we wouldn’t be here.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:27
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
There are other possible scenarios. It’s too bad that the investigators didn’t knock on the doors of neighbors that morning and ask to collect camera footage. That could have been useful in seeing the various vehicles which drove up and down the street and the timestamps.
Is this something they don’t do in Massachusetts? I know in the Waukegan parade case the camera footage that law enforcement was able to collect was very helpful to the prosecution’s case.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:18
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
Without ring footage, we have no idea who was inside and who was outside. And it absolutely matters how much everyone had to drink if we are claiming they are reliable witnesses but using alcohol to try to impeach KR.
Nobody's impeaching KR because she's not taken the stand. She just gets to make self-serving statements ad nauseam to media without being subject to cross exam. But because she is BPD and a stinking thinking alcoholic, she keeps telling on herself over and over and over again. Anybody rationally thinking can see it - she HIT HIM she HIT HIM she HIT HIM.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:11
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.
It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.
Suuuuuuuuure - and so her shattered tail light with tiny pieces littered in John's clothing and bigger pieces in the road, his DNA *INSIDE* the tail light housing, his hair adhered to the liftgate of her SUV, his shoe by the curb having been knocked out of it, the data that shows the acceleration in reverse at high speed with the classic *hiccup* in speed made by the vehicle impacting a much lighter stationary object, the GPS and other phone data that shows he never entered the house and his phone lay underneath him for 5.5 hours until he was found - that's all fantastical.
But a houseful of people, a host of first responders and a prosecutors office and a court - no wait, all the courts of appeals at the state and federal levels including SCOTUS - all being in cahoots to frame the poor little innocent woman with borderline personality and alcoholism, *that's* the plausible story.
Or no, you're saying he just tripped and fell out of his shoe and cracked his skull and just happened to roll in some tail light from Karen's car that had only ever one time been at that address, on the morning John was killed.
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:10
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
Without ring footage, we have no idea who was inside and who was outside. And it absolutely matters how much everyone had to drink if we are claiming they are reliable witnesses but using alcohol to try to impeach KR.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:08
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:I think it’s clear he didn’t go in the house. It’s just not clear/provable how he got the head injury that killed him. Her car did not impact his head.
Not clear to me since they never searched the house and then the Alberts ripped the basement up to the subfloor.
Wiffen states it’s possible he went into the house.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:08
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
That's not actually true at all. They were in/out of the house, parked in the driveway, leaving, coming and that was around the same time KR was there...So there are many suspects, and the majority of them also drank heavily. They also omitted a person who was there, Colin, until they couldn't hide he had been there.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:05
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
Oh, you were there? Tell us more.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 16:04
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
Isn’t there surveillance video from the bar where the group had gathered that shows a lot of the drinking in which the group members were engaged?
If they have the bar receipts/footage to know how many drinks KR had, then they have the ability to know how many drinks everyone else had. It's knowable information.
There are no other credible suspects besides Karen Read so no reason to attempt to track the consumption of the other people at 34 Fairview that night. They were all inside when Karen ran down John like he was a stray dog in the road.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 15:56
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.
It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.
Exactly.
Anonymous
05/02/2025 15:56
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
For his body to have landed by the fire hydrant if she hit him she'd have had to be parked very close to the driveway with front of car to the driveway, or even blocking it for the 60 feet distance to make sense. And we know Nagel (and Ricky something?) parked behind her at some point. So how did she back into John without backing into their cars?
Anonymous
05/02/2025 15:54
Subject: Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are all these people drinking to the point of oblivion?
There is no evidence that anybody else was drunk to oblivion beyond Karen Read who was 2-4x the legal limit.
John O'Keefe was substantially intoxicated, but he wasn't driving.
The fact of being intoxicated isn’t evidence that she did what’s she is being accused of, though. Two things can be true at once. She could have been very, very drunk and John O’Keefe could have died in a manner that didn’t involve her or her vehicle.
It’s within the realm of possibility that a terrible accident of some sort happened here. Sadly, Bob Saget died by falling and hitting his head with no one around.