Anonymous
Post 08/20/2024 08:25     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/new-faa-guidance-attempts-decrease-noise-residents-living-near-reagan-airport

"While the FAA says it’s always working to reduce exposure to aviation noise and Ken Buckley tells me there are several other components he’s still working on to lessen the impact on residents in the DMV.

One of those efforts is a change similar to this one to reduce the noise impact on people who live south of DCA."

I am puzzled by this effort to build the FAA up. The agency has only stressed safety and efficiency in the past and always made it clear nothing else was their priority.

The communities south of the airport should be the ones deciding how they wish to proceed.

What are the other efforts affecting the Palisades?




Anonymous
Post 08/20/2024 06:23     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:You don’t wanna live in Palisades because of the airplane noise

I don’t wanna live in Palisades because it is car-dependent suburban hellscape without a nearby grocery store

We are not the same


It’s that And the airplane noise and pollution
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 19:09     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Duh. It’s really bleak
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 10:37     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
You don’t wanna live in Palisades because of the airplane noise

I don’t wanna live in Palisades because it is car-dependent suburban hellscape without a nearby grocery store

We are not the same
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 10:37     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:This is the key statement from the FAA:

The FAA design is slightly closer to the DC side of the River near Georgetown and
Palisades, but also has lower weather minimums which will reduce the use of the
LDA procedures, which will be re-designed as part of this process.

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2023-01/Final%20summary%2010-27-22%20DCA%20WG%20meeting%2050.pdf

So the flight path will be closer to Georgetown and Palisades, but there will be less need for bad weather procedures. Is that correct?



What does this mean for Georgetown? What is the date the new procedure will begin?
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 10:35     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Palisades is to be avoided.


I would say that Palisades used to be worse than the communities in Bethesda north of Palisades including Brookmont, GEH, Westmoreland Hills or Sumner. However, after the change in the westerly flight path for departures in 2021 the noise in Bethesda became much worse. We were told that the representatives from the Palisades supported and voted for this change. If this was such as great idea to push the flight path towards the communities in Bethesda why wouldn't Palisades push the same flight path closer to its neighborhood i.e. "over the river"?


This is nonsense. Have a look at any flight tracking app - FlightRadar24, Flight Aware etc. - when planes are departing to the north and you can see the route and the altitude along the route. Departing traffic FLIES OVER the Palisades / Foxhall but never flies over Bethesda. Moreover, the traffic is much lower - and therefore much noisier - while it is adjacent to the Palisades than it is when it reaches the portion of the river west of Bethesda. Stop it with this beggar-thy-neighbor codswallop.


Fair enough. Palisades is worse. However, Montgomery County delegates, when questioned about their decisions affecting MoCo argue that it was other members of the Working Group that wanted the change and voted for it. My suggestion is that before delegates on the Working Group at DCA vote for changes in other communities they first ask relevant questions such as : were the affected communities consulted and asked for feedback?

The change in the departures heading west in 2021 increased the noise for communities in Bethesda located along the river just north of Palisades.



I totally support more transparency on the committee at the airport. If you represent Mount Vernon but asked to vote on changes twenty five miles away, you have a duty to ask questions and make sure the process is followed. Every single member of the committee should have to present a plan of action for community outreach and follow through before any decision is made by the entire group. I hope this is not just one of those I will scratch your back and you will scratch mine situations. Are all the members treated equally? So many questions... Most people are not aware of this group and their influence.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2024 07:57     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Palisades is to be avoided.


I would say that Palisades used to be worse than the communities in Bethesda north of Palisades including Brookmont, GEH, Westmoreland Hills or Sumner. However, after the change in the westerly flight path for departures in 2021 the noise in Bethesda became much worse. We were told that the representatives from the Palisades supported and voted for this change. If this was such as great idea to push the flight path towards the communities in Bethesda why wouldn't Palisades push the same flight path closer to its neighborhood i.e. "over the river"?


This is nonsense. Have a look at any flight tracking app - FlightRadar24, Flight Aware etc. - when planes are departing to the north and you can see the route and the altitude along the route. Departing traffic FLIES OVER the Palisades / Foxhall but never flies over Bethesda. Moreover, the traffic is much lower - and therefore much noisier - while it is adjacent to the Palisades than it is when it reaches the portion of the river west of Bethesda. Stop it with this beggar-thy-neighbor codswallop.


Fair enough. Palisades is worse. However, Montgomery County delegates, when questioned about their decisions affecting MoCo argue that it was other members of the Working Group that wanted the change and voted for it. My suggestion is that before delegates on the Working Group at DCA vote for changes in other communities they first ask relevant questions such as : were the affected communities consulted and asked for feedback?

The change in the departures heading west in 2021 increased the noise for communities in Bethesda located along the river just north of Palisades.



Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 22:16     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Palisades is to be avoided.


I would say that Palisades used to be worse than the communities in Bethesda north of Palisades including Brookmont, GEH, Westmoreland Hills or Sumner. However, after the change in the westerly flight path for departures in 2021 the noise in Bethesda became much worse. We were told that the representatives from the Palisades supported and voted for this change. If this was such as great idea to push the flight path towards the communities in Bethesda why wouldn't Palisades push the same flight path closer to its neighborhood i.e. "over the river"?


This is nonsense. Have a look at any flight tracking app - FlightRadar24, Flight Aware etc. - when planes are departing to the north and you can see the route and the altitude along the route. Departing traffic FLIES OVER the Palisades / Foxhall but never flies over Bethesda. Moreover, the traffic is much lower - and therefore much noisier - while it is adjacent to the Palisades than it is when it reaches the portion of the river west of Bethesda. Stop it with this beggar-thy-neighbor codswallop.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 21:47     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:Palisades is to be avoided.


I would say that Palisades used to be worse than the communities in Bethesda north of Palisades including Brookmont, GEH, Westmoreland Hills or Sumner. However, after the change in the westerly flight path for departures in 2021 the noise in Bethesda became much worse. We were told that the representatives from the Palisades supported and voted for this change. If this was such as great idea to push the flight path towards the communities in Bethesda why wouldn't Palisades push the same flight path closer to its neighborhood i.e. "over the river"?
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 21:20     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:I live in Foxhall and the noise generated by arriving aircraft has never much bothered me as the engines are basically at idle. The use of the LDA approach during bad weather (which takes some planes as far east as Foxhall Rd) is a sight to behold - I’ll miss it if indeed it does go away.

The departing north flow is the problem. The A320s, particularly, are horrendously loud and - unlike the arrivals - all of the planes follow the same flight path. On busy mornings, you will have planes going by every 30 seconds or so. The pitch on climb out is often very low as it saves the airlines money and/or because the longer flights enabled by the perimeter rule are heavier and lack the performance necessary for a steeper pitch.

The situation absolutely sucks and it is getting worse. Bowser was asked about it earlier this year at the Foxhall CCA meeting and she clearly had no clue.


Bowser would not know, but there are seven people who are accountable to DC residents who should know. One of them is your representative. Every single change of the flight path that has been discussed here originated with this group. Have you contacted your representative on the Working Group to ask what they are working on right now? The Potomac representatives complain to the FAA at those meetings about being in south flow too often. The FAA empathizes. DC reps say nothing. Why?
Here's the contact info:
https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2024-07/Reagan%20National_Noise%20Working%20Group_Voting%20Members_July%2030%202024.pdf
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 18:48     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Palisades is to be avoided.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 18:35     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Anonymous wrote:Easy to joke if you don’t live in the Palisades, Kent, Berkeley


Or Glen Echo Heights, Cabin John, and every other neighborhood along the river. All ruined by aircraft noise.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 15:48     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Easy to joke if you don’t live in the Palisades, Kent, Berkeley
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 13:36     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
Airplane noise concerns are overflown.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2024 13:19     Subject: Airplane noise concerns overblown?
I live in Foxhall and the noise generated by arriving aircraft has never much bothered me as the engines are basically at idle. The use of the LDA approach during bad weather (which takes some planes as far east as Foxhall Rd) is a sight to behold - I’ll miss it if indeed it does go away.

The departing north flow is the problem. The A320s, particularly, are horrendously loud and - unlike the arrivals - all of the planes follow the same flight path. On busy mornings, you will have planes going by every 30 seconds or so. The pitch on climb out is often very low as it saves the airlines money and/or because the longer flights enabled by the perimeter rule are heavier and lack the performance necessary for a steeper pitch.

The situation absolutely sucks and it is getting worse. Bowser was asked about it earlier this year at the Foxhall CCA meeting and she clearly had no clue.