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Anonymous wrote:^ some even encourage it

I encourage it, because I feel it is the honest answer.
However, I have not seen what the application actually said.

My son was eligible for free meals. He received free meals. So I feel the correct answer was to put yes to both questions, based on what I read here about the questions.

Is your family low-income?

No

Cheater

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You taught DC integrity which is valuable. Also,. I'm still hoping they investigated everyone who ticked off these boxes and disqualified anyone who lied.

It was not a lie. To answer no was the real lie, since everyone was eligible for free meals. People asked the admissions office and were told they could answer yes. To disqualify someone for answering correctly is unethical. They could maybe investigate and take away the bonus points.

We all know what the questions meant.

Very unethical to misrepresent your family situation.

I guess some people will try to rationalize their bad behavior.

It really wouldn't matter even if they lied since data for that student ID would override it when they processed the application.

How? When they look up my son's ID, they would see he received free meals.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ some even encourage it

I encourage it, because I feel it is the honest answer.
However, I have not seen what the application actually said.

My son was eligible for free meals. He received free meals. So I feel the correct answer was to put yes to both questions, based on what I read here about the questions.

Is your family low-income?

No

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Anonymous wrote:It is not the applicant's job to determine what the intention of the question is and to answer accordingly, but rather to honestly answer the question that was actually asked.

The question was *not* "Is your family low-income?", no matter how much you argue that this is secretly the intended question.

If the admissions committee used a question about eligibility for free meals as a proxy for low-income, then they screwed up. They should have asked the question to which they wanted the answer, not a different question. They especially shouldn't have asked a question which was confounded by pandemic policies.

Not really. This is just crazy conspiracy talk by C4TJ types. The whole thing was already completely debunked.

The TJAAG troll is back with her theory that FCPS has IRS data. No - this is what happened.

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1. They may have 2019 and earlier info for FCPS families, but they wouldn't have that data for APS, LCPS, or other non-FCPS families. If every single kid who attends a prep center were instructed to check 'yes' to those questions, then they're counting 90-100 UMC LCPS kids as low income. FCPS doesn't care, though, as long as they can get a good press release.

2. They didn't collect income data during the pandemic, since families previously above the income cutoff may have had a loss of income or a loss of jobs from the pandemic. This unfortunately makes a very large, exploitable loophole for UMC families. Undoubtedly, the free meals question allowed some portion of mediocre, higher SES kids to leapfrog the highly gifted ones at the "TJ Feeder" Centers. If every applicant has nearly a 4.0 and decent essays, the free points for checking the ED boxes would make a huge difference.

3. There surely are some low income kids who are well qualified for TJ. The kids who are well qualified for TJ don't need a substantial number of bonus points allocated to them, especially since every MS has a 1.5% allocation. Giving them the extra points is akin to saying that they aren't qualified enough to be picked on their own merits

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You taught DC integrity which is valuable. Also,. I'm still hoping they investigated everyone who ticked off these boxes and disqualified anyone who lied.

It was not a lie. To answer no was the real lie, since everyone was eligible for free meals. People asked the admissions office and were told they could answer yes. To disqualify someone for answering correctly is unethical. They could maybe investigate and take away the bonus points.

We all know what the questions meant.

Very unethical to misrepresent your family situation.

I guess some people will try to rationalize their bad behavior.

But it wouldn't have matter if you did since their automated software would simply look up whether you were eligible for this in their database. I can't believe these pro-privlege parents are still pushing this conspiracy.

What database? They didn't collect FARMS info during the pandemic, and they can't use historical information since it's unreliable. Here's an example: Say a family had an income of $55,000, making them poor but not poor enough to be FARMS. The supposed database would show them as not FARMS for 2019 and earlier. At the start of the pandemic, one of them loses their job (which was not uncommon during the pandemic) and their income plummets to $30,000. You're saying that they should be viewed as fraudulently answering "yes" to the meals questions, since the supposed database would show that they're not FARMS?

What do you mean? This was completely transparent and well publicized. On the off chance you aren't just trolling try using google.

Anonymous wrote:It is not the applicant's job to determine what the intention of the question is and to answer accordingly, but rather to honestly answer the question that was actually asked.

The question was *not* "Is your family low-income?", no matter how much you argue that this is secretly the intended question.

If the admissions committee used a question about eligibility for free meals as a proxy for low-income, then they screwed up. They should have asked the question to which they wanted the answer, not a different question. They especially shouldn't have asked a question which was confounded by pandemic policies.

Not really. This is just crazy conspiracy talk by C4TJ types. The whole thing was already completely debunked.

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Anonymous wrote:Turns out that “low income” didn’t really add that many points.

The cheaters must be disappointed.

Is there any evidence that people cheating or is this like Trump's self-serving claims of voter fraud?

Wow. That is a pathetically easy question. It's similar to the math contest problems my child was solving as a 3rd grader. There's no way they can differentiate between a math genius and a completely average child with that question.

Is this timed?

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Anonymous wrote:Turns out that “low income” didn’t really add that many points.

The cheaters must be disappointed.

Is there any evidence that people cheating or is this like Trump's self-serving claims of voter fraud?

Wow. That is a pathetically easy question. It's similar to the math contest problems my child was solving as a 3rd grader. There's no way they can differentiate between a math genius and a completely average child with that question.

So no issue with the students who broke the honor code?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out that “low income” didn’t really add that many points.

The cheaters must be disappointed.

Is there any evidence that people cheating or is this like Trump's self-serving claims of voter fraud?

Meanwhile, the FCPS 8th graders who are actually good at math are correctly solving AIME problems like these: https://artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/2021_AIME_I_Problems

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turns out that “low income” didn’t really add that many points.

The cheaters must be disappointed.

Is there any evidence that people cheating or is this like Trump's self-serving claims of voter fraud?

Wow. That is a pathetically easy question. It's similar to the math contest problems my child was solving as a 3rd grader. There's no way they can differentiate between a math genius and a completely average child with that question.