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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me like people upset are going to be ready to throw down and want to reargue the switch to SY.

It's because most parents don't make educational decisions based on youth sports. I mean does it make sense to have younger kids on older teams ahead of kids older than them just because they went to school at different times? No, because it starts making teams away from actual soccer experience and skill -- the true purpose of 12-month windows.

This unfortunately is to be expected. When people are adversely impacted personally they will be understandably upset. When deciding to switch, all the big associations said it wouldn't be a perfect match for SY -- just better than now.

Also, to correct the record, misaligned players existed under the other system, too. 5% or an average of 1 per team. AND not everyone thinks playing up is great if your slated to be the youngest kid. Even back then as well as a growing amount of science.

Clubs, leagues and parents are following what you are saying so everything else in this thread is just noise.

12 month window, the youngest is too tough to pick as a useful idea to excel and clubs won't let you play up on competitive teams just to hang out with friends.

In top of all this clubs don't have the capability to police any grade stuff because the certified docs don't exist.

Except when your Aug kid playing down mysteriously never makes the A team and coaches keep hinting that they have spots on teams with kids their grade available.

Nobody is going to turn down parents focused on playing down and willing to pay to play on B and C teams.

That isnt true in the DMV, and your guesses are the exact opposite of league and club guidance so far. They want everyone on age but are willing to allow kids to play up in less competitive teams. Clubs don't know the grades of kids and can't verify it anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me like people upset are going to be ready to throw down and want to reargue the switch to SY.

It's because most parents don't make educational decisions based on youth sports. I mean does it make sense to have younger kids on older teams ahead of kids older than them just because they went to school at different times? No, because it starts making teams away from actual soccer experience and skill -- the true purpose of 12-month windows.

This unfortunately is to be expected. When people are adversely impacted personally they will be understandably upset. When deciding to switch, all the big associations said it wouldn't be a perfect match for SY -- just better than now.

Also, to correct the record, misaligned players existed under the other system, too. 5% or an average of 1 per team. AND not everyone thinks playing up is great if your slated to be the youngest kid. Even back then as well as a growing amount of science.

Clubs, leagues and parents are following what you are saying so everything else in this thread is just noise.

12 month window, the youngest is too tough to pick as a useful idea to excel and clubs won't let you play up on competitive teams just to hang out with friends.

In top of all this clubs don't have the capability to police any grade stuff because the certified docs don't exist.

Except when your Aug kid playing down mysteriously never makes the A team and coaches keep hinting that they have spots on teams with kids their grade available.

Nobody is going to turn down parents focused on playing down and willing to pay to play on B and C teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me like people upset are going to be ready to throw down and want to reargue the switch to SY.

It's because most parents don't make educational decisions based on youth sports. I mean does it make sense to have younger kids on older teams ahead of kids older than them just because they went to school at different times? No, because it starts making teams away from actual soccer experience and skill -- the true purpose of 12-month windows.

This unfortunately is to be expected. When people are adversely impacted personally they will be understandably upset. When deciding to switch, all the big associations said it wouldn't be a perfect match for SY -- just better than now.

Also, to correct the record, misaligned players existed under the other system, too. 5% or an average of 1 per team. AND not everyone thinks playing up is great if your slated to be the youngest kid. Even back then as well as a growing amount of science.

Clubs, leagues and parents are following what you are saying so everything else in this thread is just noise.

12 month window, the youngest is too tough to pick as a useful idea to excel and clubs won't let you play up on competitive teams just to hang out with friends.

In top of all this clubs don't have the capability to police any grade stuff because the certified docs don't exist.

Except when your Aug kid playing down mysteriously never makes the A team and coaches keep hinting that they have spots on teams with kids their grade available.

Nobody is going to turn down parents focused on playing down and willing to pay to play on B and C teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me like people upset are going to be ready to throw down and want to reargue the switch to SY.

It's because most parents don't make educational decisions based on youth sports. I mean does it make sense to have younger kids on older teams ahead of kids older than them just because they went to school at different times? No, because it starts making teams away from actual soccer experience and skill -- the true purpose of 12-month windows.

This unfortunately is to be expected. When people are adversely impacted personally they will be understandably upset. When deciding to switch, all the big associations said it wouldn't be a perfect match for SY -- just better than now.

Also, to correct the record, misaligned players existed under the other system, too. 5% or an average of 1 per team. AND not everyone thinks playing up is great if your slated to be the youngest kid. Even back then as well as a growing amount of science.

Clubs, leagues and parents are following what you are saying so everything else in this thread is just noise.

12 month window, the youngest is too tough to pick as a useful idea to excel and clubs won't let you play up on competitive teams just to hang out with friends.

In top of all this clubs don't have the capability to police any grade stuff because the certified docs don't exist.

Except when your Aug kid playing down mysteriously never makes the A team and coaches keep hinting that they have spots on teams with kids their grade available.

Nobody is going to turn down parents focused on playing down and willing to pay to play on B and C teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me like people upset are going to be ready to throw down and want to reargue the switch to SY.

It's because most parents don't make educational decisions based on youth sports. I mean does it make sense to have younger kids on older teams ahead of kids older than them just because they went to school at different times? No, because it starts making teams away from actual soccer experience and skill -- the true purpose of 12-month windows.

This unfortunately is to be expected. When people are adversely impacted personally they will be understandably upset. When deciding to switch, all the big associations said it wouldn't be a perfect match for SY -- just better than now.

Also, to correct the record, misaligned players existed under the other system, too. 5% or an average of 1 per team. AND not everyone thinks playing up is great if your slated to be the youngest kid. Even back then as well as a growing amount of science.

Clubs, leagues and parents are following what you are saying so everything else in this thread is just noise.

12 month window, the youngest is too tough to pick as a useful idea to excel and clubs won't let you play up on competitive teams just to hang out with friends.

In top of all this clubs don't have the capability to police any grade stuff because the certified docs don't exist.

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Anonymous wrote:First, on my kid’s team this affects close to half the kids on the team. Second, because of this, it is not an insubstantial change that affects only a small number of kids. Third, it negatively affects college recruitment for these kids, which is what most parents/kids care about on the girls side, when college recruitment is hard enough already. This is a tragedy for a large number of kids, not just an inconvenience for a couple. I HOPE that the coaches that say they care about recruitment will treat this as SY, otherwise they don’t really care about recruitment. But given the ID announcements, all going Aug-July, except FVU, bravo FVU, I think the college recruitment talk is lip service. FVU may have a lot more additions next year because their IDs allow Aug-Sept kids to sign up to IDs by SY. Which I applaud, and I think is very smart. I think a lot of Aug-Sept kids will switch clubs if their teams push them down outside of their SY. I don’t belong to FVU but I hope they show everyone how stupid these clubs were to arbitrarily kick kids off their SY team.

More dramatic than a Spanish soap opera

If your kid's talent and potential had them on the path to college under GY, then nothing changes under SY

If SY change to 8/1 is driving you this batty, then your insecurities is not SY, but your kid's actual talents

I get it, you can’t argue the points, so you claim I am overdramatic. Just shows you have no real points to make. I am not dramatic. I just think a little thought could have solved all issues. You should try a little thought too, although that may be beyond your capabilities.

The same points have been belabored with no progress

The realistic people follow the facts that there is no school grade in club soccer and players will play their age group bracket based on DOB year/month

The maniacs are making up imaginative scenarios to self medicate

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me like people upset are going to be ready to throw down and want to reargue the switch to SY.

It's because most parents don't make educational decisions based on youth sports. I mean does it make sense to have younger kids on older teams ahead of kids older than them just because they went to school at different times? No, because it starts making teams away from actual soccer experience and skill -- the true purpose of 12-month windows.

This unfortunately is to be expected. When people are adversely impacted personally they will be understandably upset. When deciding to switch, all the big associations said it wouldn't be a perfect match for SY -- just better than now.

Also, to correct the record, misaligned players existed under the other system, too. 5% or an average of 1 per team. AND not everyone thinks playing up is great if your slated to be the youngest kid. Even back then as well as a growing amount of science.

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Anonymous wrote:Eventually if play grade down guy actually has an Aug birthday kid it will be interesting to see how they'll use rae as an excuse when college coaches ignore their kid when recruiting.

The grade down guy is a littles parent that thinks he knows everything. Once players get to HS (and should be before) groupings are all done by grade because this is what college coaches are looking for.

I see brackets defined by grade all the time at tournaments 🙄

Showcases will be by grade starting next year.

Is this documented anywhere?

Posted by USYS

Was in very small print.

Grouping older players by school year places players in a more consistent emotional and physical developmental environment.
School age grouping will help college recruitment. Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches.

As youve been told multiple times. This does not mean GY. USYS is just calling out that by changing from BY to SY + along with August birthdays playing up all players on the field will be one grade in school. (As opposed to the way things were under BY)

That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't mention August playing up and many kids in age groups, not just August, are off grade. Going grade year requires a bunch of kids switching teams, some will play up and some will play down.

Showcases going graduation year, "Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches."

Think about it.

In SY all players on the field will be one grade assuming Aug birthdays play up (not down).

This is what USYS means + the way things were pre 2017.

I find it ridiculous that people are saying Aug-Sept kids playing with their school year, what you call up, is playing up. My DC is an Aug -Sept and has been playing school year, what next year is called playing next “up”, for 8 years. Next year the league says they should go down, outside of school year, and you say they will be playing up for showcases if they play on school year. This means they will be dropped down for all non-showcase events and then be playing with the team they have been playing for almost a decade and you call that playing up. This is nonsense. The new rules place them down, even though they were good enough to play on school year the whole time they have been playing. Then they play down, with lower year skill and are expected to just jump into playing against bigger stronger better kids during showcases, when scouts will be watching, when the whole first part of the year they were playing with younger kids. Just dumb. If they should play on grade for showcases, when it matters, then they should play on grade all year, with their current teams, so they are ready for the showcases.

I get your frustration, but your DC didn't play on school year the last 8 years. Your DC played in a 12-month window with older/younger players, some of which were the same grade and some of which weren't. Next season, they'll be kids who were playing at a higher level. It'll be different.

That is the misinformation that is being spread. Almost every person on my DC’s team was in the same SY, thus on grade. The change makes almost half the kids move to non-SY. Let’s start with that as what is happening on the ground. That is a fact. 100% were playing with their classmates, or kids whose parents held them back, but were the same age. Now 50% are negatively impacted. Why should my DC be negatively impacted because they started school on time, played in the right age, with their classmates, because a couple parents held their kid back? Make a smarter rule. SY unless your kid is not in the correct SY, then Aug-Jul, how hard is that? Fixes everyone’s issues and doesn’t hose a bunch of kids. This is stupid.

But my kid’s team is the exact opposite. More than half the kids are playing “up” to the team that is calendar-wise the year above them (my kid is a November birthday). So, for them, this change will make teams much closer to matching school year. Obviously how this affects an individual team will vary, but this will obviously result in more kids playing with their SY given that it only excludes outliers rather than 4-5 months of the year.

What you're describing at outliers are Aug/Sept birthdays. But under SY these players arent trapped. All they need to do is play up on the correct grade in school team. Do this and all players on the field are a single grade in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Eventually if play grade down guy actually has an Aug birthday kid it will be interesting to see how they'll use rae as an excuse when college coaches ignore their kid when recruiting.

The grade down guy is a littles parent that thinks he knows everything. Once players get to HS (and should be before) groupings are all done by grade because this is what college coaches are looking for.

I see brackets defined by grade all the time at tournaments 🙄

Showcases will be by grade starting next year.

Is this documented anywhere?

Posted by USYS

Was in very small print.

Grouping older players by school year places players in a more consistent emotional and physical developmental environment.
School age grouping will help college recruitment. Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches.

As youve been told multiple times. This does not mean GY. USYS is just calling out that by changing from BY to SY + along with August birthdays playing up all players on the field will be one grade in school. (As opposed to the way things were under BY)

That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't mention August playing up and many kids in age groups, not just August, are off grade. Going grade year requires a bunch of kids switching teams, some will play up and some will play down.

Showcases going graduation year, "Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches."

Think about it.

In SY all players on the field will be one grade assuming Aug birthdays play up (not down).

This is what USYS means + the way things were pre 2017.

I find it ridiculous that people are saying Aug-Sept kids playing with their school year, what you call up, is playing up. My DC is an Aug -Sept and has been playing school year, what next year is called playing next “up”, for 8 years. Next year the league says they should go down, outside of school year, and you say they will be playing up for showcases if they play on school year. This means they will be dropped down for all non-showcase events and then be playing with the team they have been playing for almost a decade and you call that playing up. This is nonsense. The new rules place them down, even though they were good enough to play on school year the whole time they have been playing. Then they play down, with lower year skill and are expected to just jump into playing against bigger stronger better kids during showcases, when scouts will be watching, when the whole first part of the year they were playing with younger kids. Just dumb. If they should play on grade for showcases, when it matters, then they should play on grade all year, with their current teams, so they are ready for the showcases.

I get your frustration, but your DC didn't play on school year the last 8 years. Your DC played in a 12-month window with older/younger players, some of which were the same grade and some of which weren't. Next season, they'll be kids who were playing at a higher level. It'll be different.

That is the misinformation that is being spread. Almost every person on my DC’s team was in the same SY, thus on grade. The change makes almost half the kids move to non-SY. Let’s start with that as what is happening on the ground. That is a fact. 100% were playing with their classmates, or kids whose parents held them back, but were the same age. Now 50% are negatively impacted. Why should my DC be negatively impacted because they started school on time, played in the right age, with their classmates, because a couple parents held their kid back? Make a smarter rule. SY unless your kid is not in the correct SY, then Aug-Jul, how hard is that? Fixes everyone’s issues and doesn’t hose a bunch of kids. This is stupid.

But my kid’s team is the exact opposite. More than half the kids are playing “up” to the team that is calendar-wise the year above them (my kid is a November birthday). So, for them, this change will make teams much closer to matching school year. Obviously how this affects an individual team will vary, but this will obviously result in more kids playing with their SY given that it only excludes outliers rather than 4-5 months of the year.

What you're describing at outliers are Aug/Sept birthdays. But under SY these players arent trapped. All they need to do is play up on the correct grade in school team. Do this and all players on the field are a single grade in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Eventually if play grade down guy actually has an Aug birthday kid it will be interesting to see how they'll use rae as an excuse when college coaches ignore their kid when recruiting.

The grade down guy is a littles parent that thinks he knows everything. Once players get to HS (and should be before) groupings are all done by grade because this is what college coaches are looking for.

I see brackets defined by grade all the time at tournaments 🙄

Showcases will be by grade starting next year.

Is this documented anywhere?

Posted by USYS

Was in very small print.

Grouping older players by school year places players in a more consistent emotional and physical developmental environment.
School age grouping will help college recruitment. Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches.

As youve been told multiple times. This does not mean GY. USYS is just calling out that by changing from BY to SY + along with August birthdays playing up all players on the field will be one grade in school. (As opposed to the way things were under BY)

That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't mention August playing up and many kids in age groups, not just August, are off grade. Going grade year requires a bunch of kids switching teams, some will play up and some will play down.

Showcases going graduation year, "Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches."

Think about it.

In SY all players on the field will be one grade assuming Aug birthdays play up (not down).

This is what USYS means + the way things were pre 2017.

I find it ridiculous that people are saying Aug-Sept kids playing with their school year, what you call up, is playing up. My DC is an Aug -Sept and has been playing school year, what next year is called playing next “up”, for 8 years. Next year the league says they should go down, outside of school year, and you say they will be playing up for showcases if they play on school year. This means they will be dropped down for all non-showcase events and then be playing with the team they have been playing for almost a decade and you call that playing up. This is nonsense. The new rules place them down, even though they were good enough to play on school year the whole time they have been playing. Then they play down, with lower year skill and are expected to just jump into playing against bigger stronger better kids during showcases, when scouts will be watching, when the whole first part of the year they were playing with younger kids. Just dumb. If they should play on grade for showcases, when it matters, then they should play on grade all year, with their current teams, so they are ready for the showcases.

I get your frustration, but your DC didn't play on school year the last 8 years. Your DC played in a 12-month window with older/younger players, some of which were the same grade and some of which weren't. Next season, they'll be kids who were playing at a higher level. It'll be different.

That is the misinformation that is being spread. Almost every person on my DC’s team was in the same SY, thus on grade. The change makes almost half the kids move to non-SY. Let’s start with that as what is happening on the ground. That is a fact. 100% were playing with their classmates, or kids whose parents held them back, but were the same age. Now 50% are negatively impacted. Why should my DC be negatively impacted because they started school on time, played in the right age, with their classmates, because a couple parents held their kid back? Make a smarter rule. SY unless your kid is not in the correct SY, then Aug-Jul, how hard is that? Fixes everyone’s issues and doesn’t hose a bunch of kids. This is stupid.

But my kid’s team is the exact opposite. More than half the kids are playing “up” to the team that is calendar-wise the year above them (my kid is a November birthday). So, for them, this change will make teams much closer to matching school year. Obviously how this affects an individual team will vary, but this will obviously result in more kids playing with their SY given that it only excludes outliers rather than 4-5 months of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:Eventually if play grade down guy actually has an Aug birthday kid it will be interesting to see how they'll use rae as an excuse when college coaches ignore their kid when recruiting.

The grade down guy is a littles parent that thinks he knows everything. Once players get to HS (and should be before) groupings are all done by grade because this is what college coaches are looking for.

I see brackets defined by grade all the time at tournaments 🙄

Showcases will be by grade starting next year.

Is this documented anywhere?

Posted by USYS

Was in very small print.

Grouping older players by school year places players in a more consistent emotional and physical developmental environment.
School age grouping will help college recruitment. Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches.

As youve been told multiple times. This does not mean GY. USYS is just calling out that by changing from BY to SY + along with August birthdays playing up all players on the field will be one grade in school. (As opposed to the way things were under BY)

That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't mention August playing up and many kids in age groups, not just August, are off grade. Going grade year requires a bunch of kids switching teams, some will play up and some will play down.

Showcases going graduation year, "Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches."

Think about it.

In SY all players on the field will be one grade assuming Aug birthdays play up (not down).

This is what USYS means + the way things were pre 2017.

I find it ridiculous that people are saying Aug-Sept kids playing with their school year, what you call up, is playing up. My DC is an Aug -Sept and has been playing school year, what next year is called playing next “up”, for 8 years. Next year the league says they should go down, outside of school year, and you say they will be playing up for showcases if they play on school year. This means they will be dropped down for all non-showcase events and then be playing with the team they have been playing for almost a decade and you call that playing up. This is nonsense. The new rules place them down, even though they were good enough to play on school year the whole time they have been playing. Then they play down, with lower year skill and are expected to just jump into playing against bigger stronger better kids during showcases, when scouts will be watching, when the whole first part of the year they were playing with younger kids. Just dumb. If they should play on grade for showcases, when it matters, then they should play on grade all year, with their current teams, so they are ready for the showcases.

I get your frustration, but your DC didn't play on school year the last 8 years. Your DC played in a 12-month window with older/younger players, some of which were the same grade and some of which weren't. Next season, they'll be kids who were playing at a higher level. It'll be different.

That is the misinformation that is being spread. Almost every person on my DC’s team was in the same SY, thus on grade. The change makes almost half the kids move to non-SY. Let’s start with that as what is happening on the ground. That is a fact. 100% were playing with their classmates, or kids whose parents held them back, but were the same age. Now 50% are negatively impacted. Why should my DC be negatively impacted because they started school on time, played in the right age, with their classmates, because a couple parents held their kid back? Make a smarter rule. SY unless your kid is not in the correct SY, then Aug-Jul, how hard is that? Fixes everyone’s issues and doesn’t hose a bunch of kids. This is stupid.

But my kid’s team is the exact opposite. More than half the kids are playing “up” to the team that is calendar-wise the year above them (my kid is a November birthday). So, for them, this change will make teams much closer to matching school year. Obviously how this affects an individual team will vary, but this will obviously result in more kids playing with their SY given that it only excludes outliers rather than 4-5 months of the year.

What you're describing at outliers are Aug/Sept birthdays. But under SY these players arent trapped. All they need to do is play up on the correct grade in school team. Do this and all players on the field are a single grade in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Eventually if play grade down guy actually has an Aug birthday kid it will be interesting to see how they'll use rae as an excuse when college coaches ignore their kid when recruiting.

The grade down guy is a littles parent that thinks he knows everything. Once players get to HS (and should be before) groupings are all done by grade because this is what college coaches are looking for.

I see brackets defined by grade all the time at tournaments 🙄

Showcases will be by grade starting next year.

Is this documented anywhere?

Posted by USYS

Was in very small print.

Grouping older players by school year places players in a more consistent emotional and physical developmental environment.
School age grouping will help college recruitment. Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches.

As youve been told multiple times. This does not mean GY. USYS is just calling out that by changing from BY to SY + along with August birthdays playing up all players on the field will be one grade in school. (As opposed to the way things were under BY)

That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't mention August playing up and many kids in age groups, not just August, are off grade. Going grade year requires a bunch of kids switching teams, some will play up and some will play down.

Showcases going graduation year, "Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches."

Think about it.

In SY all players on the field will be one grade assuming Aug birthdays play up (not down).

This is what USYS means + the way things were pre 2017.

I find it ridiculous that people are saying Aug-Sept kids playing with their school year, what you call up, is playing up. My DC is an Aug -Sept and has been playing school year, what next year is called playing next “up”, for 8 years. Next year the league says they should go down, outside of school year, and you say they will be playing up for showcases if they play on school year. This means they will be dropped down for all non-showcase events and then be playing with the team they have been playing for almost a decade and you call that playing up. This is nonsense. The new rules place them down, even though they were good enough to play on school year the whole time they have been playing. Then they play down, with lower year skill and are expected to just jump into playing against bigger stronger better kids during showcases, when scouts will be watching, when the whole first part of the year they were playing with younger kids. Just dumb. If they should play on grade for showcases, when it matters, then they should play on grade all year, with their current teams, so they are ready for the showcases.

I get your frustration, but your DC didn't play on school year the last 8 years. Your DC played in a 12-month window with older/younger players, some of which were the same grade and some of which weren't. Next season, they'll be kids who were playing at a higher level. It'll be different.

That is the misinformation that is being spread. Almost every person on my DC’s team was in the same SY, thus on grade. The change makes almost half the kids move to non-SY. Let’s start with that as what is happening on the ground. That is a fact. 100% were playing with their classmates, or kids whose parents held them back, but were the same age. Now 50% are negatively impacted. Why should my DC be negatively impacted because they started school on time, played in the right age, with their classmates, because a couple parents held their kid back? Make a smarter rule. SY unless your kid is not in the correct SY, then Aug-Jul, how hard is that? Fixes everyone’s issues and doesn’t hose a bunch of kids. This is stupid.

But my kid’s team is the exact opposite. More than half the kids are playing “up” to the team that is calendar-wise the year above them (my kid is a November birthday). So, for them, this change will make teams much closer to matching school year. Obviously how this affects an individual team will vary, but this will obviously result in more kids playing with their SY given that it only excludes outliers rather than 4-5 months of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:Eventually if play grade down guy actually has an Aug birthday kid it will be interesting to see how they'll use rae as an excuse when college coaches ignore their kid when recruiting.

The grade down guy is a littles parent that thinks he knows everything. Once players get to HS (and should be before) groupings are all done by grade because this is what college coaches are looking for.

I see brackets defined by grade all the time at tournaments 🙄

Showcases will be by grade starting next year.

Is this documented anywhere?

Posted by USYS

Was in very small print.

Grouping older players by school year places players in a more consistent emotional and physical developmental environment.
School age grouping will help college recruitment. Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches.

As youve been told multiple times. This does not mean GY. USYS is just calling out that by changing from BY to SY + along with August birthdays playing up all players on the field will be one grade in school. (As opposed to the way things were under BY)

That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't mention August playing up and many kids in age groups, not just August, are off grade. Going grade year requires a bunch of kids switching teams, some will play up and some will play down.

Showcases going graduation year, "Players of the same graduating class will be participating together in high-level tournaments and showcase matches."

Think about it.

In SY all players on the field will be one grade assuming Aug birthdays play up (not down).

This is what USYS means + the way things were pre 2017.

I find it ridiculous that people are saying Aug-Sept kids playing with their school year, what you call up, is playing up. My DC is an Aug -Sept and has been playing school year, what next year is called playing next “up”, for 8 years. Next year the league says they should go down, outside of school year, and you say they will be playing up for showcases if they play on school year. This means they will be dropped down for all non-showcase events and then be playing with the team they have been playing for almost a decade and you call that playing up. This is nonsense. The new rules place them down, even though they were good enough to play on school year the whole time they have been playing. Then they play down, with lower year skill and are expected to just jump into playing against bigger stronger better kids during showcases, when scouts will be watching, when the whole first part of the year they were playing with younger kids. Just dumb. If they should play on grade for showcases, when it matters, then they should play on grade all year, with their current teams, so they are ready for the showcases.

I get your frustration, but your DC didn't play on school year the last 8 years. Your DC played in a 12-month window with older/younger players, some of which were the same grade and some of which weren't. Next season, they'll be kids who were playing at a higher level. It'll be different.

That is the misinformation that is being spread. Almost every person on my DC’s team was in the same SY, thus on grade. The change makes almost half the kids move to non-SY. Let’s start with that as what is happening on the ground. That is a fact. 100% were playing with their classmates, or kids whose parents held them back, but were the same age. Now 50% are negatively impacted. Why should my DC be negatively impacted because they started school on time, played in the right age, with their classmates, because a couple parents held their kid back? Make a smarter rule. SY unless your kid is not in the correct SY, then Aug-Jul, how hard is that? Fixes everyone’s issues and doesn’t hose a bunch of kids. This is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:First, on my kid’s team this affects close to half the kids on the team. Second, because of this, it is not an insubstantial change that affects only a small number of kids. Third, it negatively affects college recruitment for these kids, which is what most parents/kids care about on the girls side, when college recruitment is hard enough already. This is a tragedy for a large number of kids, not just an inconvenience for a couple. I HOPE that the coaches that say they care about recruitment will treat this as SY, otherwise they don’t really care about recruitment. But given the ID announcements, all going Aug-July, except FVU, bravo FVU, I think the college recruitment talk is lip service. FVU may have a lot more additions next year because their IDs allow Aug-Sept kids to sign up to IDs by SY. Which I applaud, and I think is very smart. I think a lot of Aug-Sept kids will switch clubs if their teams push them down outside of their SY. I don’t belong to FVU but I hope they show everyone how stupid these clubs were to arbitrarily kick kids off their SY team.

More dramatic than a Spanish soap opera

If your kid's talent and potential had them on the path to college under GY, then nothing changes under SY

If SY change to 8/1 is driving you this batty, then your insecurities is not SY, but your kid's actual talents

I get it, you can’t argue the points, so you claim I am overdramatic. Just shows you have no real points to make. I am not dramatic. I just think a little thought could have solved all issues. You should try a little thought too, although that may be beyond your capabilities.