Anonymous wrote:If it's the loss of spatial awareness, then it sounds like more of a neurological issue, not a mental health one.

NP - It could well be either I think. I experienced that dizzying disorientation mid-air during practices several times in a sport in which I was competing internationally (though not Olympic level). It leaves you shaken - mentally, physically - and doubting your ability a bit, since if you don’t know how to orient your body in the air, you can’t complete these complex flips and twists. And like previous posters have said, that can lead to bodily harm given the level of difficulty at which these gymnasts operate. It’s a pretty sickening feeling to be flying through the air high up, unsure which way you’re going or how you’ll land.

Getting that disoriented can definitely happen in my experience from being really nervous (like trying a difficult new skill you’re unfamiliar with) or mentally off your game. All that to say - whether it’s mental health or neurological, in either case I absolutely can’t fault her for making the wise decision she did. And despite me chiming in here online, I hope SB can tune out the proliferation of ideas going around and focus on what she knows to be right for herself.

Anonymous wrote:The fact that some gymnasts don’t like her think she is arogant doesn’t bother me. It’s lonely at the top. She did what she needed to do for herself and stayed to cheer her team. What bothers me the most is the media spin and Monday morning quarterbacks. Also The Hmong American gymnast has beaten her. The media barely mentions her, I think it would be awesome to see an Asian American win the all around gold!

Suni Lee was great yesterday! Annoyed with Biles that she took a spot away from another gymnast.

Sad thing is she just created another entire revenue stream with the speech she can now give to conventions. She'll get about $150K for the first couple of years before she loses marketability.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

She did not take Jades team spot. Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the attitude on display that's the biggest issue, and the media that will coddle her cowardly behavior behind the shields of racism and sexism. Also, I disagree with bowing out. If you're not on point in a competition, that's fine. Acknowledge it and move on. Learn why that's the case, and fix it. That's how you made it there in the first place, right? Bowing out is disrespectful to your team and the competition, unless it's a physical injury. It goes against the spirit of the games. Clowns in the media still fawning over her is just pathetic.

See it’s comments like this that show you don’t even understand the scoring. If she hadn’t bowed out and continued with her off performance she would have lost the women the silver. Her vault score already put them in the hole. Every score counted in that competition, and she knew, based on whatever was going on, that she was a liability to the team. Best case scenario would have had her pulling out earlier so that a fourth could’ve subbed in. But I don’t think she predicted how off she really was until right before the meet.

+1 First poster doesn't know or care about the rules of the sport. She just wants to dump on a black woman who didn't, on a single day, perform up to the world's extremely high expectations.

All these racism claims are only insulting to all the other high performing black athletes out there who somehow managed to push themselves to the limit - and win. You need to cool it because you're only making Biles look worse.

That's actually not how any of this works, but not surprised that Karen doesn't get it. Biles has pushed herself to the limit, limits beyond anyone else and won. Won more times than any other gymnast. Your trying to portray her as someone who hasn't done that already proves the racism point.

DP - but I don’t think you understand what racism is. You are embarrassing yourself, truly.

Love,
Karen

If it's the loss of spatial awareness, then it sounds like more of a neurological issue, not a mental health one.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

Just to be clear how good she is, in qualifiers she got second in vault and third in floor overall. She does a floor tumbling pass that is the hardest ever done by a woman, including harder than what Biles can do.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.

Probably Jade Carey. She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country. She's a vault and floor specialist. Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.

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Anonymous wrote:I would appreciate it if those who think Biles is full of herself could direct me to an interview in which she says as much.

She had a goat sewn to her leotard. Do you think maybe she just likes farm animals?

Sport psychologists will tell you to pretend your not great for the comfort of others is not good for performance.

She is the greatest gymnast on the earth right now and she does not need to pretend she isn’t.

Well, thinking of herself as the greatest didn’t seem to help when it counted, did it? Maybe sports psychologists should start recommending a different approach.

Well I don’t blame it on the sport psychologist.., her trauma therapist probably needed to do more EMDR to get the image of Nasar’s hand all the way up her pre-pubescent girl parts out of her mind.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s possible to both feel that biles did the right thing for her safety AND that she’s full of herself. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Sure. I don't feel that way, but you certainly can. I don't think most people who think she is full of herself actually know much about her or follow her career. I think a lot of it is just trying to tear her down out of sheer nastiness. The PP who dislikes Simone and Usain Bolt had a strong "uppity black" undertone in their post. So I think most of it is just hate with a good dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. And like typical mediocre white people, they love to use other black athletes against one another (horrible take comparing her to Michael Jordan) Gag.

I find her to be a great role model for young women and girls, and exceptionally brave. She is a good human which was obvious in how much time she spent nurturing Jordan during the qualifications right before she had to go on herself.

Agree.

I always thought she was GOAT and a great role model too. My niece, a fairly high level youth gymnast (who will never be olympic level, but is being courted by a couple of colleges), though, told me last weekend SB is overly arrogant, not a team player and many gymnasts feel the same way. This was BEFORE she dropped out of any events. I texted her after I heard she'd dropped out, and my niece said something like "SEE, she does not care about her team...selfish!". I can see both sides of this, and actually sympathize more with her needing mental health help, but I thought I'd throw out that not all young gymnasts think she's a great role model.

You niece sound like a sociopath.

Interesting that her team totally disagrees with your niece and said they did it for her. Doesn't sound like the response of bitter teammates whatsoever. Your niece sounds like a dog whistler. This doesn't look selfish to me at all and she didn't rush despite being up on beam next herself: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/simone-biles-jordan-chiles-video-b1890382.html

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Anonymous wrote:I would appreciate it if those who think Biles is full of herself could direct me to an interview in which she says as much.

She had a goat sewn to her leotard. Do you think maybe she just likes farm animals?

Sport psychologists will tell you to pretend your not great for the comfort of others is not good for performance.

She is the greatest gymnast on the earth right now and she does not need to pretend she isn’t.

Well, thinking of herself as the greatest didn’t seem to help when it counted, did it? Maybe sports psychologists should start recommending a different approach.

Anonymous wrote:The fact that some gymnasts don’t like her think she is arogant doesn’t bother me. It’s lonely at the top. She did what she needed to do for herself and stayed to cheer her team. What bothers me the most is the media spin and Monday morning quarterbacks. Also The Hmong American gymnast has beaten her. The media barely mentions her, I think it would be awesome to see an Asian American win the all around gold!

I feel as though NBC wanted Jordan Chiles to be the star, not Suni. Unbelievably, the NBC Tokyo Olympics Twitter account Tweeted "Who's ready for some Jordan Chiles magic?" on Sunday night to promote its coverage in prime time. This tweet came after Jordan had fallen on two events that NBC didn't show it its prime time coverage and had a pretty abysmal day.

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Anonymous wrote:I would appreciate it if those who think Biles is full of herself could direct me to an interview in which she says as much.

She had a goat sewn to her leotard. Do you think maybe she just likes farm animals?

Sport psychologists will tell you to pretend your not great for the comfort of others is not good for performance.

She is the greatest gymnast on the earth right now and she does not need to pretend she isn’t.

You can’t be confident and proud without calling yourself the greatest gymnast of all time?

You can be confident and proud and call yourself the GOAT too.

You do you.

People don’t like braggarts. That’s not news.

I don’t see it as braggart I see it is confident using a term that is 100% correct.

If she said she was the best basketball player you would have a point… girl sit down.

But she is actually the goat so it’s not arrogant it’s accurate,

There’s no way to measure “the greatest”. If the international gymnastics body designates her the “goat”, fine. Otherwise, it’s meaningless. She’s an incredible athlete and has given so much to the sport. That’s enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I would appreciate it if those who think Biles is full of herself could direct me to an interview in which she says as much.

She had a goat sewn to her leotard. Do you think maybe she just likes farm animals?

Sport psychologists will tell you to pretend your not great for the comfort of others is not good for performance.

She is the greatest gymnast on the earth right now and she does not need to pretend she isn’t.

You can’t be confident and proud without calling yourself the greatest gymnast of all time?

You can be confident and proud and call yourself the GOAT too.

You do you.

People don’t like braggarts. That’s not news.

I don’t see it as braggart I see it is confident using a term that is 100% correct.

If she said she was the best basketball player you would have a point… girl sit down.

But she is actually the goat so it’s not arrogant it’s accurate,

The fact that some gymnasts don’t like her think she is arogant doesn’t bother me. It’s lonely at the top. She did what she needed to do for herself and stayed to cheer her team. What bothers me the most is the media spin and Monday morning quarterbacks. Also The Hmong American gymnast has beaten her. The media barely mentions her, I think it would be awesome to see an Asian American win the all around gold!