Anonymous wrote:Is anyone on the board aware of any serious study on whether or not the graduates of the FCPS AAP program fared any better by any measure than their non-AAP peers? Has there been any follow-up study to look at post AAP scores (GPA, SAT etc) or College admissions (% accepted into "top 10" colleges etc) comparatively?

There is some longitudinal data in the 2009 presentation to the School Board.

http://www.fcps.edu/DIS/gt/pdfs/presentations/School%20Board%20Presentation%202009.pdf

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone on the board aware of any serious study on whether or not the graduates of the FCPS AAP program fared any better by any measure than their non-AAP peers? Has there been any follow-up study to look at post AAP scores (GPA, SAT etc) or College admissions (% accepted into "top 10" colleges etc) comparatively?

According to the FCPS School Board presentations done by Instructional Services, the ability to see longitudinal results of kids coded as receiving GT/AAP services in SASI stops once they graduate from high school.

Certainly a good question to pose to your School Board member:

http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/members.htm

Is anyone on the board aware of any serious study on whether or not the graduates of the FCPS AAP program fared any better by any measure than their non-AAP peers? Has there been any follow-up study to look at post AAP scores (GPA, SAT etc) or College admissions (% accepted into "top 10" colleges etc) comparatively?

to 22:28

I guess you would not know GBRS until the appeal process. if the kids get in the first round, you will never know.

My daughter got in on the first round with NNAT 135 and Cogat composite 132. I submitted the parent questionnaire plus one paper that she wrote for school and one idea she sketched out at home. I never saw her GBRS, so I can't comment on how that played a role, but she is a quiet child who likes to hang back and observe...definitely not one who tends to show what she knows. She has done great at the center and has definitely come out of her shell.

@ 21:56
Do you think all is depend on GBRS not on test scores.
How did you get to know about GBRS?

Last year, my son had a CogAT composite of 136 (highest subtest was 148 nonverbal)...His Naglieri was 140. We did submit a parent packet, some work samples, and letters from outside teachers(religion, coaches, piano). We were denied the first round. At that time, we requested his file from his AAP at school. They gladly gave us a copy. Not sure you can do this before a denial though). In any case, upon looking at this, we discovered the issue was his GBRS. It was 9. Interestingly, his teacher told us many times she supported his being recommended for AAP, but I feel strongly her GBRS did not reflect this. Afterwards we discussed this, and she mentioned immaturity, silliness, etc. none of which were any part of the GBRS. In any case, we decided to appeal but only with additional work samples and letters. We also lost on appeal. This year, our ds was placed with the AAP teachers, though in the "regular class". At our school, one teacher does the AAP math/science, the other does AAP language/social studies. They split half-way through the day, and teach my son's "Regular" class those same subjects. This has been a great year. Go figure, with teachers that recognize his silliness was related to boredom, we are having no issues at all in that regard. We are applying this year on parent referral. The private testing is still out of reach financially for us. If we lose, we may consider trying for testing on appeal. That said, he is having a great year, and we may decide not to. Our big issue is that we want to be sure that our ds, who has a tendency to coast through the regular curriculum may really blossom given the more challenging AAP curriculum.

Whom did you ask about your kids GBR score? Did you ask the class teacher or AAP teacher? Thanks.

Anonymous wrote:My daughter got 127 in NNAT and 130 in CogAT, we do not know about GBRS .any comments??

My Dd got 128 last year, Cogat 129, WISC 135, GBRS 10 and didn't get in. Good luck! We're sticking with base school and trying to make the best of it.

Anonymous wrote:My daugher is youngest in her class too- September birthday. Just to let you know the transition was really tough for my daughter. It took a good month or two but she is thriving now. Good Luck!

My son now 7th grade was also a September birthday. Did fine gradewise in GT but could not get him to do homework. We held him back in 4th grade, incorporating him in the decision, and it was the right thing to do. Even if they are bright, they are still children, and mature at their own pace. Bonus: I have him home an extra year, and I don't have to worry about sending a 17 year-old to college.

My daughter got 127 in NNAT and 130 in CogAT, we do not know about GBRS .any comments??

My daugher is youngest in her class too- September birthday. Just to let you know the transition was really tough for my daughter. It took a good month or two but she is thriving now. Good Luck!

Great - thanks for your reply! DD is also the youngest in her class. One boy is 15 mo older than she is!

We will get the WISC done. I'm glad to hear that, with a similar profile, your DD is doing well in and is enjoying the center.

My daughter was in same situation. She is very quiet, not a good speller and the teacher did not see her abilities. An 11 is not a great score on the GBRS. (same score as my daughter) She had scores on all tests in 130's so maybe your daughter will get in with the high NNAT. We did have to appeal and have WISC testing done. If you can afford it, I would go ahead and have it done just to have in case. I did not see the package that the school submitted. I thought I had put together a strong package. I really feel the committee puts too much iweight nto the second grade teacher's comments. If I had I probably would have had the testing done so we weren't so rushed when we did get the rejection letter. My daughter is at the center this year (3rd grade) and the hardest part is spelling! She is doing really well - not the only one who can't spell there either. It is a really great program. Good Luck.

Trying to decide whether to do WISC testing in case an appeal is needed. DD's scores are 148 NNAT, 130 highest CogAT, but 11 GBRS. DD is shy, works slowly and spelling isn't fantastic (fine on tests, but not great the rest of the time). Teacher showed us work samples (good creativity, but quite a few spelling errors!) she's providing and seems to think DD "should get in."

Do you think the 11 GBRS is weak to the point that we should be looking into WISC now, or are the existing test scores likely sufficient to counterbalance? TIA