Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Schiff knows who the whistleblower is and so does his staff.

Source? Other than your own *ss?

They moved to impeach before the transcript came out. They knew what was in the phone call (or thought they did) because they had the whistleblower's lawyer-written letter already.

They moved to impeach because the White House was illegally blocking the release of the complaint to the House. When the ICIG has instructed that a complaint be sent to the House Intelligence Committee and the White House intervenes to prevent that from happening, it's not a huge leap to assume that the White House has done this to protect itself.

Actually, the complaint was not released because it was heresay and couldn't be confirmed.

The whole "heresay" thing is right wing garbage, as usual.

https://www.mediamatters.org/federalist/false-report-federalist-about-whistleblower-complaints-fuels-trump-defenders-impeachment

Media Matter is actual garbage.

I cannot believe we're actually talking about the Bidens. How easily Trump controls the narrative.

If he actually did shoot someone on 5th Avenue, you'd be talking about whether the victim was jaywalking when he wandered into the path of the bullet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Schiff knows who the whistleblower is and so does his staff.

Source? Other than your own *ss?

They moved to impeach before the transcript came out. They knew what was in the phone call (or thought they did) because they had the whistleblower's lawyer-written letter already.

They moved to impeach because the White House was illegally blocking the release of the complaint to the House. When the ICIG has instructed that a complaint be sent to the House Intelligence Committee and the White House intervenes to prevent that from happening, it's not a huge leap to assume that the White House has done this to protect itself.

Actually, the complaint was not released because it was heresay and couldn't be confirmed.

The whole "heresay" thing is right wing garbage, as usual.

https://www.mediamatters.org/federalist/false-report-federalist-about-whistleblower-complaints-fuels-trump-defenders-impeachment

Not surprised that the Federalist piece was false and ignorant of whistleblower laws, regulations, and case law.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Schiff knows who the whistleblower is and so does his staff.

Source? Other than your own *ss?

They moved to impeach before the transcript came out. They knew what was in the phone call (or thought they did) because they had the whistleblower's lawyer-written letter already.

They moved to impeach because the White House was illegally blocking the release of the complaint to the House. When the ICIG has instructed that a complaint be sent to the House Intelligence Committee and the White House intervenes to prevent that from happening, it's not a huge leap to assume that the White House has done this to protect itself.

Actually, the complaint was not released because it was heresay and couldn't be confirmed.

The whole "heresay" thing is right wing garbage, as usual.

https://www.mediamatters.org/federalist/false-report-federalist-about-whistleblower-complaints-fuels-trump-defenders-impeachment

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^

Except that isn't what happened. Biden happened to be the messenger for a worldwide opinion including all of the republicans in the US Congress. His son didn't join the company until two years after the investigation.

Hunter Biden was getting payments in 2015/2015.

Biden said he threatened Ukraine in 2016

“U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.”

Your link please?

Not PP but Burisma was being investigated for activities between 2010-2012 before Biden got there.

And they appointed Hunter Biden and Western Europeans to the board when they reorganized in 2014 explicitly to demonstrate to investors and lenders in the West that they were no longer affiliated with the Kremlin-leaning people who were the subjects of the investigation.

Anonymous wrote:NEWS: AG Bill Barr was “surprised and angry” when he learned Trump lumped him together with Rudy Giuliani in a call with Ukraine’s president suggesting they would investigate Joe & Hunter Biden.
https://apnews.com/7d134da3dadd497e9af37c60278d68dc

I guess he should have read the thing he was trying to cover up

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^

Except that isn't what happened. Biden happened to be the messenger for a worldwide opinion including all of the republicans in the US Congress. His son didn't join the company until two years after the investigation.

Hunter Biden was getting payments in 2015/2015.

Biden said he threatened Ukraine in 2016

“U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.”

Your link please?

You sound very gullible. Or maybe just dim.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^

Except that isn't what happened. Biden happened to be the messenger for a worldwide opinion including all of the republicans in the US Congress. His son didn't join the company until two years after the investigation.

Hunter Biden was getting payments in 2015/2015.

Biden said he threatened Ukraine in 2016

“U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.”

Your link please?

Not PP but Burisma was being investigated for activities between 2010-2012 before Biden got there.

Anonymous wrote:^^^^

Except that isn't what happened. Biden happened to be the messenger for a worldwide opinion including all of the republicans in the US Congress. His son didn't join the company until two years after the investigation.

Hunter Biden was getting payments in 2015/2015.

Biden said he threatened Ukraine in 2016

“U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.”

Your link please?

Anonymous wrote:NEWS: AG Bill Barr was “surprised and angry” when he learned Trump lumped him together with Rudy Giuliani in a call with Ukraine’s president suggesting they would investigate Joe & Hunter Biden.
https://apnews.com/7d134da3dadd497e9af37c60278d68dc

Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Linda Tripp managed to get Bill Clinton impeached on heresay that was later proven with evidence.

Funny the GOP doesn't think that standard should hold now.

Clinton lied. That’s what got him impeached. Tell me, if the whistle blower’s statement is so air tight, why did Schiff do his parody of a version?

I know why. You could figure it out, if you thought about it.

I’m interested in how you think

NEWS: AG Bill Barr was “surprised and angry” when he learned Trump lumped him together with Rudy Giuliani in a call with Ukraine’s president suggesting they would investigate Joe & Hunter Biden.
https://apnews.com/7d134da3dadd497e9af37c60278d68dc

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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The word of White House officials isn't "hearsay, rumor, or gossip". If this U.S. official brought this claim to the press, their information wouldn't be labeled as "hearsay, rumor, or gossip."

And the truth you aren't going to like is this. The whistleblower committed no crime. They didn't reveal any classified information. Their report is UNCLASSIFIED. Even if they aren't protected under the Whistleblower Act, all that means is that they *might* lose their job. Trump's crimes were going to be revealed.

Much of what is in the complaint has turned out not to be accurate. Maybe, because it was secondhand information. Just because you want to believe it, does not make it true.
Have you never heard things from other people that turned out not to be exactly true?

With the new rules, anyone could say anything, as long as they "heard" it.

Even better, the transcript of the call showed no wrongdoing so they had to scramble and create the extortion narrative. Put two and two together, they say. The funny part is, Biden bragged on tape about him withholding 1 billion in aid unless the prosecutor was fired, and the narrative there is “well, the prosecutor was corrupt”. Let’s say that the firing had nothing to do with Hunter Biden - what Biden did is still extortion.

No, this won't boomerang onto Biden.

What Biden did was US policy. You can complain about policy but it's not extortion. What Trump has been doing is not policy.

If Trump had gone to the Ukraine and insisted on the firing of a prosecutor investigating his son, Don Jr., in exchange for &1 billion, somehow I don't think you would this this.

Because that is not what happened. That’s not the timeline of events and not what Biden did or bragged about doing.

What DID happen was Trump sent Ghouliani, through a back channel, to negotiate a deal with a foreign leader wherein he would receive his aide upon agreeing to “revisit” the long-settled Biden issue. Both Ghouliani and Trump admitted this. The WB transcript bears it out, and the real transcript, which likely is even more explicit, is hidden. Then, to top it all off, because the crimes we know about already aren’t serious enough, he threatened the life of the whistle blower who told on him. Extortion, witnesses tampering, obstruction.

^^^^

Except that isn't what happened. Biden happened to be the messenger for a worldwide opinion including all of the republicans in the US Congress. His son didn't join the company until two years after the investigation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The word of White House officials isn't "hearsay, rumor, or gossip". If this U.S. official brought this claim to the press, their information wouldn't be labeled as "hearsay, rumor, or gossip."

And the truth you aren't going to like is this. The whistleblower committed no crime. They didn't reveal any classified information. Their report is UNCLASSIFIED. Even if they aren't protected under the Whistleblower Act, all that means is that they *might* lose their job. Trump's crimes were going to be revealed.

Much of what is in the complaint has turned out not to be accurate. Maybe, because it was secondhand information. Just because you want to believe it, does not make it true.
Have you never heard things from other people that turned out not to be exactly true?

With the new rules, anyone could say anything, as long as they "heard" it.

Even better, the transcript of the call showed no wrongdoing so they had to scramble and create the extortion narrative. Put two and two together, they say. The funny part is, Biden bragged on tape about him withholding 1 billion in aid unless the prosecutor was fired, and the narrative there is “well, the prosecutor was corrupt”. Let’s say that the firing had nothing to do with Hunter Biden - what Biden did is still extortion.

No, this won't boomerang onto Biden.

What Biden did was US policy. You can complain about policy but it's not extortion. What Trump has been doing is not policy.

If Trump had gone to the Ukraine and insisted on the firing of a prosecutor investigating his son, Don Jr., in exchange for &1 billion, somehow I don't think you would this this.