way, way late to the party. I am almost done with s3 and read all 45 pages.

has anyone else noticed CDR Lawrence is "Joey Lawrence"?

and I wonder if Elisabeth's face is completely free from makeup when doing those close ups of her face, blemishes and all. When she's visiting Jezebels, her skin looks flawless with the makeup.

Anonymous wrote:Late to the party on the show. Watching season 3 now, and all I can think of is how silly it is for the Waterford’s to have any claim whatsoever on Nichole outside of Gilead. They have no legal or biolgical claim to the child whatsoever. They raped a woman and stole her baby. The kid isn’t even Waterford’s. Why on earth would any government body return a stolen child to the child thieves?

Joel from Parenthood (I forget his name on the show) is using Nichole as a carrot to get Serena to talk and spill all of Gilead’s dirty secrets.

That doesn’t mean they’re going to give her the baby though, esp. after they learned that Serena forced June and Nick to have sex to make her.

Anonymous wrote:Late to the party on the show. Watching season 3 now, and all I can think of is how silly it is for the Waterford’s to have any claim whatsoever on Nichole outside of Gilead. They have no legal or biolgical claim to the child whatsoever. They raped a woman and stole her baby. The kid isn’t even Waterford’s. Why on earth would any government body return a stolen child to the child thieves?

Politics. Fear of retaliation. Recognizing the rights of a sovereign state to conduct its own affairs (obviously the sovereignty is disputed in the show, but even IRL many governments have to hold their noses and deal with others guilty of human rights abuses). They do have a legal right to the child, in Gilead. The question is how must Canada navigate that, in the fictional world they exist in? Gilead could conceivably nuke them, and is helmed by crazy whackos.

Late to the party on the show. Watching season 3 now, and all I can think of is how silly it is for the Waterford’s to have any claim whatsoever on Nichole outside of Gilead. They have no legal or biolgical claim to the child whatsoever. They raped a woman and stole her baby. The kid isn’t even Waterford’s. Why on earth would any government body return a stolen child to the child thieves?

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Anonymous wrote:Both Nick and Whitford are gray characters, neither good nor bad. Both had an active hand in creating and upholding Gilead. Whitford in the planning of it, especially the Colonies, and Nick as a soldier. Which means Nick killed who knows how many Americans, including civilians.

Neither are committed to either the American or Gilead cause at this point, so it’s time to shit or get off the pot as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think either will survive the series. They need to answer for what they’ve done. I think Nick will go down fighting in some way for June or the resistance. I’m less certain of Whitford. I think he suspects June of having a hand in his wife’s death, and that’s not going to endear him to her cause.

The primary difference I see between Lawrence and Nick is that Lawrence helped plan Gilead, and some of the worst aspects of it.

Nick walked into a social services job office one day after patchy employment, just looking for a job to support his family, and ended up drafted into the army. It was just fate that placed him in the army, not desire for a new f’d up society.

But I think at this point they both greatly regret their hand in supporting Gilead. I *think* Nick is actively planning something to aid in the resistance, and Lawrence is halfhearted doing what he’s told by June.

Nick was simply doing what he needed to survive, and he's been clever enough to work the system without getting caught and killed (although has had a couple close calls). Season 4 is supposed to get into his backstory, which should be really good because we need to see what awful choices he had to make along the way, not just the righteous Nick he is now.

Lawrence is a selfish bastard with a god complex. It's clear he thought he was very clever getting an early seat at the table so he could quietly bend the rules for his own family later on (while playing god over the lives of the women he comes into contact with). Well, that didn't pan out because like a typical egotistical male he placed his interests above his wife's and she didn't survive. She was never going to survive Gilead, he should have foreseen that and absconded to Canada before the first coup which he easily could have done as a member of the council that engineered the whole chain of events. Now his hands are tied because he's a war criminal (I'm holding out hope he turns himself in for judgment by the international criminal court). Helping June relocate some kids isn't going to redeem him.

Bradley Whitford has a new show. It doesn’t look any good and I would be shocked if it’s not canceled. I figured he would be killed off because of other acting commitments.

Captain Waterford has the most punchable face. I can’t stand his face. I hate Serena too.

Anonymous wrote:Both Nick and Whitford are gray characters, neither good nor bad. Both had an active hand in creating and upholding Gilead. Whitford in the planning of it, especially the Colonies, and Nick as a soldier. Which means Nick killed who knows how many Americans, including civilians.

Neither are committed to either the American or Gilead cause at this point, so it’s time to shit or get off the pot as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think either will survive the series. They need to answer for what they’ve done. I think Nick will go down fighting in some way for June or the resistance. I’m less certain of Whitford. I think he suspects June of having a hand in his wife’s death, and that’s not going to endear him to her cause.

The primary difference I see between Lawrence and Nick is that Lawrence helped plan Gilead, and some of the worst aspects of it.

Nick walked into a social services job office one day after patchy employment, just looking for a job to support his family, and ended up drafted into the army. It was just fate that placed him in the army, not desire for a new f’d up society.

But I think at this point they both greatly regret their hand in supporting Gilead. I *think* Nick is actively planning something to aid in the resistance, and Lawrence is halfhearted doing what he’s told by June.

Both Nick and Whitford are gray characters, neither good nor bad. Both had an active hand in creating and upholding Gilead. Whitford in the planning of it, especially the Colonies, and Nick as a soldier. Which means Nick killed who knows how many Americans, including civilians.

Neither are committed to either the American or Gilead cause at this point, so it’s time to shit or get off the pot as far as I’m concerned. I don’t think either will survive the series. They need to answer for what they’ve done. I think Nick will go down fighting in some way for June or the resistance. I’m less certain of Whitford. I think he suspects June of having a hand in his wife’s death, and that’s not going to endear him to her cause.