Anonymous
04/18/2017 13:15
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Some really big games today. Bullis against Cardinal Gibbons from NC, one of the top teams in the south. Landon up against St Igantious, probably best team west of Mississippi. Landon then will play Cardinal Gibbons tomorrow and then finish the week against IAC rival STA. Brutal stretch for Landon but befitting of a team that has aspirations of being recognized as the best team in the country at the end of the season. I know Bullis is hoping to get another shot at Landon in the IAC tournament.
Gotta give Landon props for accommodating Gibbons while in the area and thus creating a busy and tough week for themselves. Mark of a true #1 not to shy away from tough teams or back to back to back games.
Anonymous
04/18/2017 11:10
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
Some really big games today. Bullis against Cardinal Gibbons from NC, one of the top teams in the south. Landon up against St Igantious, probably best team west of Mississippi. Landon then will play Cardinal Gibbons tomorrow and then finish the week against IAC rival STA. Brutal stretch for Landon but befitting of a team that has aspirations of being recognized as the best team in the country at the end of the season. I know Bullis is hoping to get another shot at Landon in the IAC tournament.
Anonymous
04/18/2017 10:43
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Heights is looking good. Solid win over a talented Potomac team. HC has found his groove.
Churchill beats The Heights 7-6.
Nice. Are there any other MoCo publics playing privates this season? How are they doing?
The Heights is a much better team than that result would indicate. They won just about every face off & had the ball a lot. Churchill got a few unsettled goals on turnovers and on man up situations. Churchill's goalie is really good and had a sharp game & that made a big difference.
St Mary's Ryken parent here -- That kid is a wall. Just stoned us & then basically kept Churchill in a game they should have lost by 6-8 goals against KI. Never seen a goalie even close to his level. They could beat a # of the prep teams on a given day when he's running hot. Very impressed how far publics lacrosse has come in the last few years.
Churchill has a terrific program. But I'm afraid they are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to MoCo public lacrosse. You see public school lacrosse developing by leaps and bounds in NOVA. Always wondered why MoCo has always been lagging - even with many talented players getting diverted to the privates, there should be enough talent around to build around.
Anonymous
04/18/2017 10:31
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Heights is looking good. Solid win over a talented Potomac team. HC has found his groove.
Churchill beats The Heights 7-6.
Nice. Are there any other MoCo publics playing privates this season? How are they doing?
The Heights is a much better team than that result would indicate. They won just about every face off & had the ball a lot. Churchill got a few unsettled goals on turnovers and on man up situations. Churchill's goalie is really good and had a sharp game & that made a big difference.
St Mary's Ryken parent here -- That kid is a wall. Just stoned us & then basically kept Churchill in a game they should have lost by 6-8 goals against KI. Never seen a goalie even close to his level. They could beat a # of the prep teams on a given day when he's running hot. Very impressed how far publics lacrosse has come in the last few years.
Anonymous
04/17/2017 14:08
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
I just heard about that 2021 commit. Insane. Thanks to all those involved in getting this new rule in place.
Anonymous
04/17/2017 12:42
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:I'd guess it will be a very fluid situation now. In essence if a kid is finishing 8th or 9th grade now, any and all communications with coaches including at the one they 'committed' to will be foreclosed on until the Sept 1 of 11th grade trigger. I'd also guess this will dramatically slow down the number of kids who reclassify grades in middle school to position to be a 8th/9th grade recruit. There just isn't a reason for that now. More likely you'll see coaches & kids cross bargaining to go plan a PG year. It's likely kids who thought D3 can be ambitious about getting a D1 opportunity now into 11th grade. That as a given, let's not forget that a good many D3 schools are better academic schools or a better fit than the D1 choices. I'd like to believe families of a kid in junior year see that more clearly now that the middle school lunacy has been pulled. High Point or Furman over a NECSAC college? Not by any straight minded measure.
The direct communications have to stop but there are loop holes. College coach to club and/or high school coach and that coach the kid/parent. There are still ways to communicate it just cannot be direct.
I hope you are correct about the redshirting because that has gotten completely out of hand for boys. At least it didn't happen to the girls.
Anonymous
04/17/2017 12:04
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
I'd guess it will be a very fluid situation now. In essence if a kid is finishing 8th or 9th grade now, any and all communications with coaches including at the one they 'committed' to will be foreclosed on until the Sept 1 of 11th grade trigger. I'd also guess this will dramatically slow down the number of kids who reclassify grades in middle school to position to be a 8th/9th grade recruit. There just isn't a reason for that now. More likely you'll see coaches & kids cross bargaining to go plan a PG year. It's likely kids who thought D3 can be ambitious about getting a D1 opportunity now into 11th grade. That as a given, let's not forget that a good many D3 schools are better academic schools or a better fit than the D1 choices. I'd like to believe families of a kid in junior year see that more clearly now that the middle school lunacy has been pulled. High Point or Furman over a NECSAC college? Not by any straight minded measure.
Anonymous
04/17/2017 10:13
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How will the new rule regarding D-1 recruitment affect D-3 recruiting?
Not one bit. This is a rule isolated to D1 coaches. D3 schools don't dispense athletic grant-in-aid scholarship money. In theory that places them in a sanctuary away from the targeted curbing of D1 coaches inducing kids w/ early scholarship 'verbals' which were promises, not commitments. In the morass of this one wonders to what extent coaches really honor these verbal promises. For example, Starsia was notorious for giving 'guidance' on a scholarship number, then later telling an early recruit his deal was a meal plan & not 1/2 tuition. Did he keep his promises? If he didn't dump a recruit that hadn't developed (& many of his early recruits didn't), then taken literally he did. But offering a meal plan or books when the kid is a rising senior is little more than ego preservation for the parents/kids to keep telling anyone who will listen all about a scholarship. To each their own.
Pushing this further out allows for a better evaluation with less delta at the end in terms of the disappointments. It also helps cut down on mistakes. More than 75% of early recruits don't pan out. Those numbers are brutal for coaches trying to stay employed at these programs. The rule does indeed to a lot to save them from themselves.
But won't the delay in D-1 commits necessarily affect the D-3 commits?
Anonymous
04/17/2017 10:11
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:How will the new rule regarding D-1 recruitment affect D-3 recruiting?
Not one bit. This is a rule isolated to D1 coaches. D3 schools don't dispense athletic grant-in-aid scholarship money. In theory that places them in a sanctuary away from the targeted curbing of D1 coaches inducing kids w/ early scholarship 'verbals' which were promises, not commitments. In the morass of this one wonders to what extent coaches really honor these verbal promises. For example, Starsia was notorious for giving 'guidance' on a scholarship number, then later telling an early recruit his deal was a meal plan & not 1/2 tuition. Did he keep his promises? If he didn't dump a recruit that hadn't developed (& many of his early recruits didn't), then taken literally he did. But offering a meal plan or books when the kid is a rising senior is little more than ego preservation for the parents/kids to keep telling anyone who will listen all about a scholarship. To each their own.
Pushing this further out allows for a better evaluation with less delta at the end in terms of the disappointments. It also helps cut down on mistakes. More than 75% of early recruits don't pan out. Those numbers are brutal for coaches trying to stay employed at these programs. The rule does indeed to a lot to save them from themselves.
Anonymous
04/17/2017 09:42
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
How will the new rule regarding D-1 recruitment affect D-3 recruiting?
Anonymous
04/16/2017 17:58
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:the new recruiting process will actually hurt the club ball circuit.
the power will now shift back to HS coaches as it should have years ago.
HS coaches will no longer have to deal with a parent whose son is committed to XYZ program as a 9th grader but got cut from the varsity.
HS coaches cowered to this. No prep coach, locally at least, had the guts to quash the ego & pressure from parents & club guys to not varsity roster a kid in 9th grade if the star maker system got the kid pledged to a college. I think this does pull HS coaches back into the mix for recruiting, but I don't believe this does anything but blow up the showcase for pay system in club lacrosse. Very few college coaches rely on anything else but club & showcase events to evaluate players. It will always be that way. NCAA season is during the spring, so it is severely limiting to put resources into following high school leagues. There are some exceptions like local colleges checking out big local prep games, but as a rule it now goes back to dropping into rising 10th & 11th grader Jake Reed type events. That biz was pretty much smoked out after 8th grade by early recruiting.
In the end early recruiting will go as a footnote in history which damaged the game and soiled a few great programs/coaches. Dom Starsia (disgraced, fired, UVA in shambles) and Dave Petro (Hopkins a shell of its former self) are good examples. Good riddance kiddie recruiting.
Anonymous
04/16/2017 16:38
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
the new recruiting process will actually hurt the club ball circuit.
the power will now shift back to HS coaches as it should have years ago.
HS coaches will no longer have to deal with a parent whose son is committed to XYZ program as a 9th grader but got cut from the varsity.
the power will now shift back to HS coaches as it should have years ago.
HS coaches will no longer have to deal with a parent whose son is committed to XYZ program as a 9th grader but got cut from the varsity.
Anonymous
04/16/2017 16:11
Subject: Private School Lacrosse Thread
From talking to people generally, most people agree that yes, club coaches will still have a lot of influence as the new rule does not bar college coaches from talking to club coaches. However, the early commitment issue was such a crazy process that the fact that the new rule will bar public commitments before Sept. 1 of the junior year is still seen as meaningful, despite the fact that there will still be scouting of and interest in younger players.
I think it's a positive development. Agreed we'll have to see how it plays out to really render judgment.
I think it's a positive development. Agreed we'll have to see how it plays out to really render judgment.
Anonymous
04/16/2017 14:10
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:great to see some sanity coming back to the sport.
+1
This re-opens the gold mine for club ball & showcase events scumbags to take custody of lacrosse daddy testicles through sophomore year. Increases the relevance of 8th grade - 10th grade high volume events solicits. It's of course a good thing to get NCAA coaches away from committing kids who haven't played a minute of high school lacrosse yet...kind of saves those coaches from themselves & their institutions from embarrassment. I'd like to think it cleans up the sport, but it is lacrosse. Let's see.
I'm not sure I'm following - won't the college coaches not focus on kids until near the beginning of junior year (so the summer prior will be big). How does that help the club guys who have been stirring up a frenzy with lax parents of 8th graders?
Anonymous
04/16/2017 13:54
Subject: Re:Private School Lacrosse Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:great to see some sanity coming back to the sport.
+1
This re-opens the gold mine for club ball & showcase events scumbags to take custody of lacrosse daddy testicles through sophomore year. Increases the relevance of 8th grade - 10th grade high volume events solicits. It's of course a good thing to get NCAA coaches away from committing kids who haven't played a minute of high school lacrosse yet...kind of saves those coaches from themselves & their institutions from embarrassment. I'd like to think it cleans up the sport, but it is lacrosse. Let's see.